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Published by C1ay 08-19-2005
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Tormod
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08-19-2005
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| Re: Saturn’s rings have their own atmosphere Great story, C1ay. For an article I'm doing at work I called up one of the scientists, Knut Svenes, here in Norway who works on the Cassini data and wow they are learning a lot about the Saturnian system. The atmosphere thing is something they have expected but only now been able to prove. I had to ask him the inevitable, of course, whether there was any chance for life but he flatly denied it. We are looking at a very thin atmosphere in a very harsh environment and little heat...but the idea is neat. |
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#2
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Turtle
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08-19-2005
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___I don't see where the article comments on hoe thick the atmosphere is, i.e. how far does it extend from either side of the 150KM ring plane? Is it equally thick from one side to another? Just thinking out loud; good article C1ay. ![]() | |
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#3
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EWright
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08-20-2005
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| Re: Saturn’s rings have their own atmosphere Isn't one theory of how life began on earth, that it was seeded by debris from other parts of the galaxy slamming into the earth in the past? Why then wouldn't such theorists presume the same seeds were scattered throughout other parts of the solar system? Given the persistance of life forms (especially microbial ones) to survive or adapt to harsh conditions, would supporters of this theory not expect that they might exists in any area with an atomoshpere and water of any sort? I'm not sure how much support there is for this particular theory. It is something I thought I heard in the past, and which came to mind given this discussion. Also, isn't one of Jupiter's moons (Europa?) suspected of having liquid (water?) oceans undera crust of thick ice? What are the discussions of the possibilities of life here? |
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#4
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Tormod
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08-20-2005
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| Re: Saturn’s rings have their own atmosphere Quote:
The observations at Saturn also appear to support such a theory. However, the rings themselves are much too young to have been part of the early spreading of the chemicals which form the building blocks of life (as we call them), they are merely a few hundred million years old, compared to the 4,6 billion years that is the age of Saturn and the rest of the Solar System. If the rings are a result of comets being crushed by Saturn, and then the debris being scattered around and "harvested" by the moons (several of Saturn's moons orbit inside the ring's gaps), then they were formed by the same kind of matter that spread those initial chemicals to Earth and as you mention, Europa. However, water is not a sign of life. It is not a byproduct of it. It is, however, an expected prerequisite for it (we only know water-based life). All biological processes as we know them leave an imprint due to metabolism. This is observed on Earth. That is why methane on Mars and Titan have been interpreted as possible signs of earlier (or even current) life. So yes, water on Europa, especially since it is expected to be a sub-surface ocean (the thickness of the crust is still a matter of debate since it is hard to measure - this will hopefully be done with later Jupiter probes), which means it may be a warm ocean if there are deep-sea vents, for example. That makes it possibly a very likely place for life to arise But we have yet no signs of it, and no tests for it. | |
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#5
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Jim Colyer
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08-27-2005
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| Re: Saturn’s rings have their own atmosphere It is amazing how we can determine Saturn's rings have an atmosphere all their own. I am sitting in the science library at Vanderbilt University in Nashville. I still get a kick out of astronomy after all these years. Jim Colyer Astronomy http://jimcolyer.com/papers/entry?id=2 |
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