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Published by C1ay 09-21-2005
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ldsoftwaresteve
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09-23-2005
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| Re: Hubble Finds Mysterious Disk of Blue Stars Around Black Hole Very interesting. Perhaps there are no tidal forces after all. Steve |
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infamous
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09-27-2005
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| Re: Hubble Finds Mysterious Disk of Blue Stars Around Black Hole At long last science has unambiguous proof for the existence of black holes. This should rock the boats of a few theorists that believed that black holes were just a convenient invention for science to explain the unknown. |
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ldsoftwaresteve
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09-28-2005
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| Re: Hubble Finds Mysterious Disk of Blue Stars Around Black Hole Perhaps I missed the significance of this. I thought that the disk of stars was in a place it shouldn't be. I assumed that meant it was too close, perhaps inside of the theoretical event horizon? |
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C1ay
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09-28-2005
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| Re: Hubble Finds Mysterious Disk of Blue Stars Around Black Hole Quote:
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infamous
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09-28-2005
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| Re: Hubble Finds Mysterious Disk of Blue Stars Around Black Hole Quote:
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#6
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CraigD
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10-03-2005
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| Re: Hubble Finds Mysterious Disk of Blue Stars Around Black Hole Quote:
I think you’re correct, ldsoftwaresteve, that the article’s saying the disk is in a place it shouldn’t be. I think the explanation being presented, however, is that the disk is close enough to the supermassive that gravitational tidal forces – the normally slight difference in gravitational attraction between objects slightly closer to the center of rotation than those slightly further away, responsible for such effects as tethers released in earth orbit orienting themselves vertically – should interfere with the relatively delicate process of star formation, preventing them from forming. Present theory suggest that what we should be seeing is a disk of hot, disorganized matter emitting in the x-ray spectrum, a scaled-up version of the “accretion disks” believed to surround stellar-mass black holes (strong x-ray sources are the traditional mark of stellar-size black holes). Because these stars’ spectra identify them as short-lived, the explanation that they formed further out, where tidal forces were slighter, then spiraled inward, seems ruled out. Since they’re short-lived, it’s unlikely we’re catching some sort of special, one-time occurance. More likely, star formation in this disk is a continuous ongoing process, so the explanation that the black hole’s gravity was less intense when they were formed seems ruled out. What seems left is that the usual model of star formation is inadequate to describe how these stars are forming. Instead of coalescing gently from a pre-planetary gas/dust cloud, as our solar system did, these may have formed in a rougher way from vigorously churning clouds, possibly due to compression as clouds collided with one another. This is exciting stuff, great fun to try modeling on a computer (though I’ve largely given up my armature attempt at this, content to leave it to the pros, and read about their results). | ||
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