Intelligent Life of a Non-Human type

[fsmind]

As Human Species become consume with the search for intelligent life here on Earth or throughout the universe. The Human Species must first remove the covers from its eyes, mind, and its own young intelligent existent to understand that other intelligent life forms exist in places in which the Human Species can not. The universe is forever changing by the second however; there is one element that remains a constant and that is the evolution of Life itself. The Earth is just one in a billion young civilization in this community called the universe.

Do you really think the Human Species is all alone in this universe?

[Tormod]

Welcome to our community, fsmind.

Originally Posted by fsmind

The Earth is just one in a billion young civilization in this community called the universe.

Prove it.

Do you really think the Human Species is all alone in this universe?

No. There are a lot of other species on this planet.

And I also like to think that there is life elsewhere but I can't prove it.

[pgrmdave]

Originally Posted by fsmind

there is one element that remains a constant and that is the evolution of Life itself.

How about the speed of light? Be careful what you say, you might be called upon to prove it.

[TINNY]

there is one element that remains a constant and that is the evolution of Life itself.

what about before the time there was life?

[TINNY]

i remember FT mentioned in the other thread about the physical attributes suitable for intelligent organisms such as high dexterity to make full use of the intellect. There would be no use for a jellyfish to know how computer programming

[sanctus]

Tormod (and the others may read as well :-) ),I actually think it is possible to provee the existence of other lifeforms, as long as one starts from the theory that, in black holes for example, there exists passages to parallel universes (I think it's a consequence of General relativity). Well our univrse is really huge and let's assume that we are the only ones in our universe, this still means that there is 1 planet which hosts life out of X, where X denotes the number of planets of our univrse. Now if you take enough parallel universes to have at least 2X planets, you can statistically be sure that there is another planet which hosts life.

[Tormod]

I think any such attempt at a proof will have the basic flaw that it cannot be falsified, thus it is not a valid theory.

[sanctus]

Yes it can be falsified, just by proving GR wrong.

By the way, are you saying that a theory is only valid if it can be falsified? But as soon as a theory is falsified it becomes an invalid theory. What is your (and probably the current) definition of valid theory?

[Tormod]

Originally Posted by sanctus

Yes it can be falsified, just by proving GR wrong.

No...you don't prove/disprove the existence of multiple universes by proving GR wrong. You only strengthen any theory that assumes so if it is based on the necessity for GR to be wrong!

By the way, are you saying that a theory is only valid if it can be falsified? But as soon as a theory is falsified it becomes an invalid theory. What is your (and probably the current) definition of valid theory?

Sorry, a bit of sloppy phrasing on my behalf. What I meant was that for a theory to be a valid theory, it must be possible to TEST it - not only theoretically, but practically.

I would be very interested in learning how you would test for multiple universes.

[Freethinker]

Wow! Not only an interesting thread to start with, but the replies, in there approach, are easily as interesting. Welcome fsmind. Hope you aren't too scared off by the agressive replies. The immediate demand for proof of claims. The picking apart of individual items in the post for internal accuracy and consistancy. Looks like I'm not needed around here anymore! :-) (Whistles while walking into the sunset...)

Tinny, what I was getting at (and without going back to check, hoped I structured correctly) was not that species lacking dexterity could not develop an higher intellect, but they could not implement it in manufacturing technology. This in a discussion RE communicating with them. e.g. I remember some years ago reading some story which was theorizing what type of life might exist on other planets in our solar system, including intellegent life. Just life that could not take advantage of technology for dexterity reasons. Such as the suggestion of "floaters" in Jupiter's atmosphere. In fact something like a jellyfish that would float thru the atmosphere. In fact (and who would be surprised) there are sites that discuss it:

http://www.daviddarling.info/encyclo...piterlife.html

Santus you are confusing the ABILITY to falsify with actually proving something to be false. The idea being that something can not be shown to be true, if it is not also possible to show that it could be false. Not IS, but COULD BE.

fsmind, I agree that we need to remove our anthropomorphic biases if we are interested in allowing the greatest possibility of finding extraterrestrial life.

And No I do not think we are the only species in the universe. And not just the other species here on earth. (getting picky Tormod? lol) As in the book I have suggested on other threads here is titles "Probability One", the probability of intellegent life elsewhere in the universe is so high it is for all intents and purposes ONE (100%)