Changing something according to will

[orbsycli]

Originally Posted by billg

So presumably by "Magick" you mean action? I mean, we all know we can potentially change things in ways in which they can change if we will it, via action. If I want my hair-product to fall on the floor, assuming it can, then I can will it, flick it off my desk, and there you go. Why call it magick? Or is magick something different?

If you want to call that magick, you can, but IMO there's nothing very magickal about it.

If you want to change the position of the hair spray, you must will yourself to do so. (Flicking it)

If you want to change the shape of the hair spray, you must also will yourself to do so. (Believing it is something else. Make believe)
If you succeed in changing the shape of the hair spray,

no one else will ever know

because what you just did was a projection of the psyche.

My life consists of many hallucinated sounds. My mind is a great music synthesizing machine. My mind incorporates my audible visions into my reality, sometimes involuntarily.
These sounds I hear in my mind are projected by my mind into what appears to be the space around me,
thus, magick occurs.

You may find hallucinations a nuissence, but I've found great wisdom in the singing iceplant, and the whispering fire.

Do you understand?

[orbsycli]

It is simply make believing, with creativity.

[billg]

Originally Posted by orbsycli

If you want to call that magick, you can, but IMO there's nothing very magickal about it.

If you want to change the position of the hair spray, you must will yourself to do so. (Flicking it)

If you want to change the shape of the hair spray, you must also will yourself to do so. (Believing it is something else. Make believe)
If you succeed in changing the shape of the hair spray,

no one else will ever know

because what you just did was a projection of the psyche.

My life consists of many hallucinated sounds. My mind is a great music synthesizing machine. My mind incorporates my audible visions into my reality, sometimes involuntarily.
These sounds I hear in my mind are projected by my mind into what appears to be the space around me,
thus, magick occurs.

You may find hallucinations a nuissence, but I've found great wisdom in the singing iceplant, and the whispering fire.

Do you understand?

So magick is any hallucination or act of imagination? If that's the case, then when you say it's possible to change "something" you mean it's possible to have subjective experience that is not neccessarily related to any physical stimulus and does not neccessarily correspond to a physical reality. That's fine, but you're only changing your internal state. Personally I think the ability to change a physical system permanently, purposefully, and in a way that other people can percieve via our actions is a far more powerful and interesting feat than an act of imagination

[orbsycli]

The topic here is Will.

Whether it's internal will, or a collective will.

The answer is yes.

[Boerseun]

Unfortunately, to date, the only way of changing the position of anything, is through following the Laws of Physiks.

[orbsycli]

Obviously!

You need the will to follow thru with an action, and that will can be changed.

With will, you can change how you think about things, thus willing yourself to change your own will.

You can will yourself to tell someone to shut up and stop provoking you, and you can also will yourself to not say anything, keep your thoughts to yourself, and think about more positive things.

There's no such thing as physiks, boerseun's just making fun of me.


Magic is not magick. Magick is not magic.

Some of us were born with the ability to project our minds into the space around us. There's nothing physicless about it. It is completely psychological, and fun IMO.

[kalexia]

Originally Posted by MclareN

Pretty sure this is the right forum, but anyway I read an interesting topic on a board the other day:



What are your thoughts on this?

You could say that everything shapes another's Universe, as every single thing we do, see, say, etc has some kind of effect in the Universe-big or small. The whole theory that there may be 'alternate Universes' out there consisting of all possible decisions that one can make in life seems unbelievable, since there must be an infinite amount of ways a persons life can be different in minute ways. Surely the objective Universe is made of of millions of subjective Universes, therefore each person's own individual realm must affect the Universe as a whole?

[coldcreation]

Evolution was in the news about two months ago (CNN if I recall).

I think the subject was similar to the title of this thread, though disimilar to the turn the thread has taken.

Does anyone have information about that report. It seems it was potentially an important breakthrough in our understanding of evolution, where instead of being soley attributed to natural selection and random mutations, it was found that will and subsequent action may equally play an important role.

Thanks in advance.


CC