Changing something according to will

[MclareN]

Pretty sure this is the right forum, but anyway I read an interesting topic on a board the other day:

Each individual has his or her own subjective universe in which changes can be made according to will. In each individual's subjective universe lies one's perceptions of the world, and for each individual this is a reality. Carl Jung said that “the meeting of two personalities is like the contact of two chemical substances; if there is any reaction, both are transformed.” Kind of obscure? Yes. Each individual can shape another's subjective universe through many explained and unexplained processes, but is it possible for an individual's will to not only change his or her subjective universe but also the objective universe? Some might call this the "power of prayer" or something along the lines of "magic."

Does the human brain hold the capacity to change things that are outside of its own realm? If so, how would you explain this?

What are your thoughts on this?

[orbsycli]

Intent changes everything, man.

[freeztar]

I've never seen any scientific proof to back it.
Of course, given quantum mechanics, you could postulate that the mind interacts with the possible outcomes, but it is still not free to change them to will.

At the same time, I think that science can only explain so much. The marvels of the world and beyond are inspirations to the mind. Who knows its expanse?

*I think the Jung example illustrates energy fields, rather than the mind.

[HydrogenBond]

I am not sure if this is what you meant but innovation can change the objective universe. For example, relativity starting within Einstein. After it was published science changed forever.

Jung also spoke of synchronicity, or meaningful cooincidences, where inner subjective states seems to synchronize with external events. It may be a cooincidence, but nevertheless happens in a of meaningful way.

A recent possible example of synchronicity, that comes to mind, was a global warming expedition to the north pole to measure the ice. It had to be postponed due to unprecidented cold. If one interpretted this in terms of synchronicity, their unconscious mind had doubt about global warming, even though their conscious mind believed stongly. This obsession created a conflict. As such, the unconscious would stage an event to get its point across. It didn't make it cold, rather it would make the ego chose a bad time to go. There is a good chance that many of these scientists lost some of their obsession.

[maikeru]

Originally Posted by MclareN

Pretty sure this is the right forum, but anyway I read an interesting topic on a board the other day:



What are your thoughts on this?

Are you talking about something almost along the lines of psi, which is not scientifically proven?

Psi (parapsychology) - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

[HappytheStripper]

Originally Posted by MclareN

Each individual has his or her own subjective universe in which changes can be made according to will. In each individual's subjective universe lies one's perceptions of the world, and for each individual this is a reality. Carl Jung said that “the meeting of two personalities is like the contact of two chemical substances; if there is any reaction, both are transformed.” Kind of obscure? Yes. Each individual can shape another's subjective universe through many explained and unexplained processes, but is it possible for an individual's will to not only change his or her subjective universe but also the objective universe? Some might call this the "power of prayer" or something along the lines of "magic."

Does the human brain hold the capacity to change things that are outside of its own realm? If so, how would you explain this?

EMF - definilty .. Synchronicty and Co-incidence - definilty!! When time and space events come together .. with help of the physical law of attraction ..

James Redfeild describes these time and space events in his book - The Celestine Prophecy

CelestineVision.com

The capacity to change that which is external is simple .. take a look in a mirror .. what do you see .. ?? When you let me know what you see.. I will explain that which I think in regards to your question..

Kind Regards Ashley

[orbsycli]

If you're looking for the answer,
the answer is Yes, you can.
I can. Can you?

Some things are unchangable, but I've found sometimes I can completely manipulate some aspects of my environment by will.

It's really easy to do when you're dreaming.
When you're awake, you have to be a magician
and once you believe you are
you can do a lot of weird things.

These weird things are completely psychological.
This magic is magick.
Meaning:

The magick that I speak of is a projection of the psyche,
a divine incorporation
manipulated entirely by Will,
and the many layers of our own consciousness.

I've even permanently changed my vision, both inside and out.

When two magicians meet, O
my things are so beautiful.

This derives from Tao.

[Boerseun]

Originally Posted by orbsycli

If you're looking for the answer,
the answer is Yes, you can.
I can. Can you?

Some things are unchangable, but I've found sometimes I can completely manipulate some aspects of my environment by will.

It's really easy to do when you're dreaming.
When you're awake, you have to be a magician
and once you believe you are
you can do a lot of weird things.

These weird things are completely psychological.
This magic is magick.
Meaning:

The magick that I speak of is a projection of the psyche,
a divine incorporation
manipulated entirely by Will,
and the many layers of our own consciousness.

I've even permanently changed my vision, both inside and out.

When two magicians meet, O
my things are so beautiful.

This derives from Tao.

Orb. Nothing personal, dude. But this post made absolutely zero sense.

Coming back to the topic at hand:

Carl Jung said that “the meeting of two personalities is like the contact of two chemical substances; if there is any reaction, both are transformed.” Kind of obscure? Yes. Each individual can shape another's subjective universe through many explained and unexplained processes, but is it possible for an individual's will to not only change his or her subjective universe but also the objective universe?

I think what Jung alluded to has nothing to do with telekinesis. If two people meet, they are both changed for life simply because they have both made an impression on the other guy's brain which wouldn't have been there had they not met. I can have a chat with you and maybe change your philosophy on life, thereby making a wholesale change on you. Conversely, you could do the same to me. Humans are, after all, very adaptable creatures and thrive on change and varying stimuli.

Changing my objective universe through will is very possible. If I see a can of Coke in my fridge and I decide to take it out and put it upside-down on my roof, I have imposed my will on it and I've changed my objective universe. It does take some elbow grease, unfortunately. I had to go get the ladder out the garage. The possibility of imposing your will on your objective universe cuts to the core of determinism. But it is far, far removed from telekinesis, which has been completely and utterly proved to be horsecrap.

[orbsycli]

This thread's called Changing something according to will, correct?

So let me rephrase myself for Boerseun 'cause he didn't get it.

Yes, it is possible to change "something" with will.

This is Magick
because it is a projection of the psyche.

Originally Posted by wiki

Magick, in the broadest sense, is any act designed to cause intentional change. Magick is not capable of producing "miracles" or violating the physical laws of the universe (e.g., it cannot cause a solar eclipse), although "it is theoretically possible to cause in any object any change of which that object is capable by nature".

[billg]

So presumably by "Magick" you mean action? I mean, we all know we can potentially change things in ways in which they can change if we will it, via action. If I want my hair-product to fall on the floor, assuming it can, then I can will it, flick it off my desk, and there you go. Why call it magick? Or is magick something different?