Evolution Based On Lies?

[Winkelix]

Not too long ago, in 1999, a few scientist wanting to further thier careers and decieve many people published an article in N.G., claiming they found a half-bird, half-reptile. They tried to make it seem like it was a "missing link". They simply took dino bones, and combined them with a newer species of birds, and published a whole article about it in the Nov. 1999 issue of N.G.
This was obviously proved wrong later.

Some more info:

Evidence that does not support dinosaur to bird evolution


+ Birds wings and feet have digits 2-3-4, where as theropods had digits 1-2-3. This is another piece of evidence that demonstrates birds did not evolve from theropods.[18]


+ Birds lungs are uniquely equipped for prolonged aerobic activity with air sacs, and a unidirectional flow of air through the lung. Both features greatly increase the efficiency of flight, but there is no evidence of bird-like lungs in dinosaur remains.


+ Birds flight feathers are highly specialised for flight with interlocking barbules, which enable them to be linked like Velcro, and with excellent strength to weight ratio. They are perfectly designed for flight.


+ Genuine fossils found with feathers are real birds, although sometimes these birds are flightless as for instance Caudipteryx. Dino-fuzz is no more than collagen fibres that form the surface structure of reptile-like dinosaurs.


+ The dinosaur to bird evolutionary dating is full of contradictions as well. Archaeopteryx is acknowledged as a full bird and dated by evolutionists to 150m years ago, a full 20 million years older than Microraptor gui. Yanornis martini, also recognised as a fully-fledged bird, is allegedly the same age as Microraptor gui, which allegedly is still evolving into birds. It is perverse to suggest that dinosaurs were still evolving into birds when birds were already present. Bambiraptor was claimed to be even younger than these others at 75 million years old, but that didn’t stop it being presented with a partial covering of feathers even though no such structures were observed on the fossil.

This is all clear evidence that evolution isn't going anywhere. It's all based on lies. I'll post some other info later.

[Tormod]

While the dinosaurs-to-birds process is not yet proven, I fail to see how your post in any way deals with evolution on a general basis.

[InfiniteNow]

Originally Posted by Winkelix

This is all clear evidence that evolution isn't going anywhere. It's all based on lies.

Well, perhaps not evolution of the human species anyway. Not if people keep thinking like this.

[ughaibu]

All fish I've encountered have some form of teeth, even if only rudimentary bumps along the jaw, but birds have none, so, I'm suspicious of the hypothesised dinosaur-bird lineage. On the other hand, squid and octopi have beaks, I reckon the paleontologists would do well looking for a cephalopod-bird missing link.

[InfiniteNow]

Originally Posted by Winkelix

Not too long ago, in 1999, a few scientist wanting to further thier careers and decieve many people published an article in N.G., claiming they found a half-bird, half-reptile. They tried to make it seem like it was a "missing link". They simply took dino bones, and combined them with a newer species of birds, and published a whole article about it in the Nov. 1999 issue of N.G.
This was obviously proved wrong later.

The November 1999 issue of National Geographic magazine and the publication of fossil evidence referenced above was, in fact, retracted by the magazine in October 2000 when it was determined that the evidence was fraudulent. However, the mistake of one scientist does nothing to remove the validity in the work of others.

Dino Hoax Was Mainly Made of Ancient Bird, Study Says

"The really unfortunate aspect of the Archaeoraptor forgery was that it was used to suggest that other feathered dinosaur fossils were also faked, and added a layer of confusion to public understanding that shouldn't be there," said Clarke.

"There's an abundant amount of evidence that the lineage leading to birds is nested in Dinosauria," she said. "There are many feathered flying and non-flying dinosaur fossils from these two regions that are not forgeries."

Originally Posted by Tormod

While the dinosaurs-to-birds process is not yet proven...

This isn't really correct. There is pretty significant evidence of the connection, although you're right that we may not yet have a 100% understanding of it all. Although, I suppose it's possible that you were already saying this, just in a different way.



The article below in the journal Science, the June 3, 2005 issue, states with near certainty the connection:

Gender-Specific Reproductive Tissue in Ratites and Tyrannosaurus rex -- Schweitzer et al. 308 (5727): 1456 -- Science

Unambiguous indicators of gender in dinosaurs are usually lost during fossilization, along with other aspects of soft tissue anatomy. We report the presence of endosteally derived bone tissues lining the interior marrow cavities of portions of Tyrannosaurus rex (Museum of the Rockies specimen number 1125) hindlimb elements, and we hypothesize that these tissues are homologous to specialized avian tissues known as medullary bone. Because medullary bone is unique to female birds, its discovery in extinct dinosaurs solidifies the link between dinosaurs and birds, suggests similar reproductive strategies, and provides an objective means of gender differentiation in dinosaurs.

Originally Posted by Tormod

I fail to see how your post in any way deals with evolution on a general basis.

Indeed. Great point. Sounds to me like the OP was saying, "It didn't rain here today, so there's no such thing as weather."


Cheers.

[Winkelix]

While the dinosaurs-to-birds process is not yet proven, I fail to see how your post in any way deals with evolution on a general basis.
Today 12:22 PM

I'm not dealing about the facts of evolution, rather the validity. There have been many hoax's in evolution, and it makes me question whether it really is a valid theory.

I found another hoax (sorry, I can't post the website), and it was that sculls very similair to Neanderthals(or some other prehistoric human), were found in the graves of Latin American Indians. They took babies destined to be slaves, and flattened out their heads, marking them forever as slaves. It was a horrific practice, but still, the Neanderthals might have just been Aztec slaves. This confuses me a lot, and makes me question evolution.

Another is fossils. A person I know lives by the Niagara Escarpment. He lives by an area with many fossils, and he did a little math a while ago. There was about 100 meters of rock, all with fossils. An explanation board there said it all accumulated in 50 million years. This would mean that every 5000 one of sediment accumulates. How can a skeleton possibly sit that long in one place, without being disturbed for 5000(or more, depending on how big it is) years? It's almost impossible!

[Winkelix]

Another thing I found out. A few years ago, some scientists found a T-rex fossil, estimated to be 68 million years old. It had soft tissue in it, and scientists think it contains cells and blood vessels. I consider this a good thing, because scientists can learn more about how they lived and stuff like that, but how can is survive for 68 million years? It seems way to far fetched for me.

[Dobin]

I found another hoax (sorry, I can't post the website), and it was that sculls very similair to Neanderthals(or some other prehistoric human), were found in the graves of Latin American Indians. They took babies destined to be slaves, and flattened out their heads, marking them forever as slaves. It was a horrific practice, but still, the Neanderthals might have just been Aztec slaves. This confuses me a lot, and makes me question evolution.

Neanderthals couldn't have been Aztec slaves. They lived mainly in Europe and the Middle east, and were extinct about 24000 years ago, far before the Aztec civilization. Most likely, as you stated, the skulls are deformed through some sort of traditional practice, just as many other cultures have forms of contorting their bodies. Chinese foot bindings come first to my mind.

I still dont see how this changes the validity of Evolution. If you continue to stumble across claims such as these, I suggest you check their facts with other sources.

[Zythryn]

There was this faith-healing preacher in Kansas who was shown be be a fraud. Obviously since there are people that will act fraudulently using religion, religion is false?
Is this the logic you are using Winkelix?

[InfiniteNow]

I would like to ask the membership to see winkelix as a person searching for information. Let's do the right thing and share accurate information with them. It's clear that there are some sources of information they are currently using which are both 1) inaccurate, and 2) not fully understood. Let's do this the Hypography way and share knowledge, discrediting misinformation, and mentoring the (what I presume to be) young man into becoming a more learned individual.