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| Thinking | Re: I Grow Plants Upside Down CraigD, I don't know how you are looking at the information that you have posted because it seems as if you have clearly posted information leading to my point. Quote: Although musculoskeletal disorders ? primarily the atrophy of striated muscles and decrease in bone density ? and vestibular (Vestibular system - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia) and upper GI (Upper gastrointestinal series - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia) disorders ? dizziness and nausea - are well known medical risks of prolonged and brief exposure to microgravity, I do not understand how is that you think that the change cells of bone density reduction and decrease in muscle mass along side gastroin intestinal disorders, dizziness and nausea are not medical risks. You are acting as if I had posted the information of a human death in space. If you do not think that the medical risk that you have posted could be a big risk to the health of a human, than I don't understand. I also found some info that I would like to share with: Quote: "Astronauts in space lose significant bone and muscle mass because of exposure to zero gravity, scientists said Wednesday. Dr. Per Tesch, associate professor in the Department of Physiology and Pharmacology at the Karolinska Institute in Stockholm, Sweden, spoke at a seminar Wednesday night in the Hagner Auditorium in the Bright Complex about the associated problems of muscle and bone response to space flight. The seminar was hosted by the Department of Health and Kinesiology and also featured NASA astronaut Richard Linnehan and professors who have studied space travel. Tesch said results from a study conducted on muscle atrophy in space over a 17-day period showed a constant drop in muscle mass at the rate of loss per week2 percent . Results indicated that women are generally more susceptible to muscle loss in space than men, though both genders are substantially affected. Potential countermeasures to muscle atrophy may include electrical muscle stimulation, steroids and mainly exercise, Tesch said. "While weight lifting is the initial approach, weights cannot be used in outer space, due to gravity," Tesch said, "Therefore, equipment has been developed that allows for resistance exercise onboard the spacecraft." Space travel has also been shown to have an adverse effect on bone mineral density, said Susan Bloomfield, associate professor in the Department of Health and Kinesiology. Bloomfield said the average loss in bone mineral density is 1 percent every month. "To put this in context, the rate of bone loss in space is roughly ten times that of post menopausal women," she said. The most probable cause of accelerated bone loss is the shift in body fluid at zero gravity, resulting in decreased blood flow and reduction of nutrients to the bone, Bloomfield said. "The clear focus for biological research is the testing on and development of pharmacological agents to stimulate bone formation and allow for rapid bone recovery," Bloomfield said". ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- How could you not think that a constant drop in muscle mass at the rate loss of 2 percent a week is not a risk. Think about it, we are talking about all muscles of the body including the heart. Think of what could happen if too much heart muscle decreases? Think about what would become if all the muscle mass lose was concentrated only on the heart? If an astronaut that is losing massive amounts of heart tissue and remains there for long period of time, that person could end up with a much smaller heart. Think of what would happen to that astronaut were to have that type of condition when returning back to the much stronger gravity of earth? More than not, he or she may not last long once back on earth because the heart could give way. Why do you think that astronauts in space are constantly being monitor to see how their body function are doing? I am sure that NASA is doing these close physical health monitoring because they are aware that every one's individual cells are different and that they could change before you know it. You should also keep in mind that the information that they reveal is base on only what they want us to know. Think of all the other types of information that has not yet been revealed. Maybe one day they just might reveal information that will back up the info that you are trying to down push. Some jet pilots have to ware special suits that try to control their blood flow or blood pressure because a quick maneuver could produces a strong g-force that could make them pass out. This gravity force is equal to that of being within a different gravity environment. They are only able to remain within that type of gravity force for just a few seconds or minutes and yet it is enough to effect their cell function that makes them pass out. If a jet airplane were to be within that massive gravity force for a much longer period, (let's say an hour or more) it would be a higher possibility that the pilot would not only pass out, but if the blood circulation were to stops for a long period, they just might also be terminated because of that type of gravity environment. These types of massive airplane speeds or g-forces are equal to that of being within another gravity action environment. I have read the rule that I seem to be violating and understand it completely. Looking at what I carry, I am not worried of breaking it. I just need more time and I will provide more info leading to a better explanation as to how I came to the different gravity conclusion. Have patience and I will provide it soon. I not only have the idea to show some of the information that lead me to all of my conclusions, but I am also thinking of providing curtain types of technological products so this audience could do the very same experiments and see the very same results for themselves. I will agree that some info might be kept secret but that does not mean that I am going to break the most important rules of all. Think about the ideal that I am willing to prove my point enough so that I have the ideal to provide my personal products that could also lead those with the research effort to maybe discover the very same zero gravity technology that I am working with. Believe you me, this audience could get a kick when they also have they very some products that helped me make this big simulated gravity technology in their hands. I think that they should get a kick out of it when they too start doing the identical experiments and with the same identical results that I am posting. I think that once I am ready to offer these one of a kind products, they just might also get your attention. This is the place where I got the info: Independent Student Voice of Texas Link: Muscle mass, bone density less in space - News ---------------- Gravity is not a thing - it's an action. Gravity is here. Gravity is there. Gravity is everywhere. Without gravity, nothing would exist, me. | |
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Professor Gravity’s statement, “Some astronauts could have all the physical training in the world and could be as fit as a fiddle and yet any gravity change could be disastrous at any time. If it does not kill on the first or second trip, it could kill you on the third or tenth.” appears to me an inaccurate characterization of the effects in changes of gravity on astronauts’ health, stating that one could suddenly die from them. The major risk to life associated with spaceflight is obviously accident. 19 out of 460 (about 4%) astronauts have died when their spacecraft systems failed, making it one of the most dangerous occupations in our society. In comparison, a person working for 30 years at the most dangerous documented “ordinary” job, timber cutting, with a 180/100,000 annual death rate, has about a 3.5% risk of death, while a US soldier serving a single 1-year tour in the present Iraq war has 0.75%. (sources: wikipedia article “Astronaut”; CNNMoney article “America's most dangerous jobs”; International Journal of Epidemiology article “Military fatality rates (by cause) in Afghanistan and Iraq”) Quote:
I know of no medical literature suggesting that such a reduction posing a high risk of death in a previously healthy person, and of many papers concluding that it is not, but is generally similar to the effect of prolonged bed rest. Note that the rate of muscle loss in bed rest, about 1.5%/day, is about 5 times greater than 2%/week, suggesting that the effects of a year in microgravity is about equivalent to 2 month of restricted bed rest. (sources: JAP article “Cardiac atrophy after bed rest and spaceflight”; American Journal of Forensic Medicine and Pathology article “Comparison of Heart Mass in Seizure Patients Dying of Sudden Unexplained Death in Epilepsy to Sudden Death due to Some Other Cause”) Quote:
Fortunately, this does not occur. Medical data collected from astronauts, such as that presented in the papers cited above, indicate that they loose heart mass at about the same rate that they lose skeletal muscle mass. Although astronauts who spend long periods in microgravity, such as record-setter Valeriy Polyakov, require long periods of physical training to restore themselves to their pre-flight physical condition, they appear to suffer no lasting ill effects. Quote:
My experience with spaceflight medicine, which consists of reading the literature, and some social contact with people in the field (it’s difficult to work in medicine in the vicinity of NASA Goddard and Bethesda Naval/NIH for several decades and not meet folk involved in space medicine) leads me to conclude that no one involved in manned spaceflight shares you concern that human cells can “suddenly change” due to microgravity or other conditions of spaceflight. Just the opposite, one of the central assumption of medicine, supported by vast amount of clinical data, is that human beings are overwhelming physiologically similar. Quote:
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Science – and this science site – requires evidence to back up its claims. Professor Gravity has not, thus far, provided evidence for his claim that “Astronauts are taking a big risk because any gravity difference could react a cording to their own idividuals cells”. I emphatically don’t wish to dampen anybody’s imagination and enthusiasm for science of any kind, but can’t abide speculation that is misrepresented as fact. Professor Gravity, if you wish to speculate about gravity, spaceflight, or any other science topic, hypography is the place for it. Some difficulty seems to me to arise from the confusion of cellular and whole-body (somatic) physiology revealed by statements such as Quote:
Human and other plant and animal cells and tissues are routinely subjected to sustained forces exceeding 1000 g’s (10000 m/s/s) – forces that would prove immediately fatal to a whole human being - without damaging them. In short, our cells and tissues are much tougher than our bodies as a whole. When physiologists speak of cell function, they normally mean processes internal to and presenting on the surface of a cell, not the interaction of separate cells. To be well understood when discussing physiology, it’s important to communicate in a conventional manner. ---------------- Moderator: Computers and Technology; Medical Science; Science Projects and Homework; Philosophy of Science; Physics and Mathematics; Environmental Studies ![]() | |||||||||||
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| Thinking | Re: I Grow Plants Upside Down Mr Benzpyrene, Quote: ---Quote--- The interest is to share information and no more. ---End Quote--- The information you share however is nothing more than: I found something earth shattering that could be the fountain of youth, a time travel machine and a good dirt for plants in outer space experiments. Without any proof (and you delivered none) this is not worth of discussion. No scientific discussion anyway. me, Sorry that you did not find my science worthy of "scientific discussion" because of the lack of the physical evidence that I have provided up to this point. But let me ask you the question of " have you read ALL of the information that I have posted up to this point"? If you did read it ALL and followed through it and it is still not enough, I would recommend the patience because I will soon post more and provide better detail. Quote: ---Quote--- If I were interested in money, you would of know whom I am by now. ---End Quote--- So you say. If there was anything behind these words you would be able to back it up by evidence. me, Again, sorry that the information that I have provided is not enough and you still need to see more. I will soon provide you with all the info that I have to offer so you could clearly see for yourself. Then maybe after all of that, you might see things different. Quote: ---Quote--- I have a patent attorney because it is only natural to have legal documentation of the work that is being performed. ---End Quote--- Is only logical if you intend to market the work. If you were purely altruistic in your behavior a scientific publication would be enough. me, Have you ever thought of having a patent attorney, not for money, but to rather have the patent power to stop curtain malicious people from using it once the secret comes out. I will also point out that, yes, I do have in mind to market some of my products. But I have made it very clear that when it come to the profit making of the products, money is not going to be a factor. Meaning that I would not care how much money or not you may have to offer for some of the things that I have, but more importantly, if I find it worthy. This is why I am here within this popular forum - I have the idea that the audience intelligence should be a good place to start. Quote: ---Quote--- Having a patent in your hands does not assure money or fame. There are plenty of people that have gotten a patent and they have not made a dime from it. ---End Quote--- Says a lot about the usefulness of the patents that have been filed. If a patent is useful and offers something groundbreaking it will make money and keep others from copying your findings. (Otherwise companies wouldn't bother with the whole thing) me, Absolutely, if the patent is not worthy, why bother. Quote: ---Quote--- Whomever told you that having a patent is a guaranteed money maker is very wrong. ---End Quote--- I didn't say that. I know many people who thought they had a great idea and it turned out to be not so great. Doesn't keep anyone for patenting it though. me, OK. Quote: ---Quote--- I am more interested in the patent protecting of my discoveries, primarily, so I could have the monopoly and prevent others from copying my work. If I were to have a patent on some of these powerful technologies, then not just anyone would be able to copy or duplicate them. With a patent in the hand, I would be able to prevent other people from using it to cause wrong. Without the patent, I would not be able to legally do anything to stop those that may be doing wrong with it. ---End Quote--- No you wouldn't. A patent only secures you the rights for a limited amount of time.. me, Yes, you only have a specific amount of time and then you kiss it goodbye. But with a patent, I would at least have the legal power to try and prevent other unworthy people from using it. The patent time just might be enough time to set laws that might also prevent them from using it. Quote: ---Quote--- Yes I do see my self as a scientist or a researcher of some sort. Yes I am aware of how the scientific community functions. Apparently, you are not that familiar with it. ---End Quote--- Well, this sounds like an unbacked insult. me, Sorry. I did not meant it as an insult. It just seems as one because of the way that you have posted it. If you were to post the rest of the information that was also included, you will see that it wasn't meant that way. Quote: ---Quote--- Governments and universities are obligated to reveal everything about their scientific accomplishments in every way. They are obligated to not only demonstrate it all physically, but also financially. This revealing it all scientific law falls outside the box when it comes to private agencies. Private agencies reveal what they want and how they wanted.---End Quote--- ..you forgot to add the why. Private agencies want to make money with their findings. Things that do not prove to give profit are not researched. Universities benefit the whole scientific community by publishing their information. BOTH however have to provide *evidence* to peers in order to get their "product" (be it a research paper or a new medicament) accepted by the respective authorities. me, I agree with that. Quote: ---Quote--- Apparently you are not paying that much attention to the general posted information. I have made it clear that some of the experiments and discoveries are so powerful that I am convince that your average person should NOT be able to do them. ---End Quote--- This is not a viable argument. The average person is not able to maintain cells in culture, perform a western blot, make a PCR experiment or deduct anything useful from a Chromatogram. Yet all these things are published. The *general information* you posted is nothing but flavor text. It has nothing to do with science. me, I do not understand why you are comparing other experiments with my experiments if you have not yet understood my science. You are correct about the difficulties associated with some cell experiments. But the cell experimentation that you have posted are more toward conducting very difficult experiments in order to accomplish a successful results. These are totally different than what I have to offer. The simulated technology has the power to conduct experiments dealing with a whole living organism and it is very easy and cheap to duplicate. If it were to come out into the open even those without that much knowledge or education would also be doing these delicate experiments. I mean, look at me. Quote: ---Quote--- I don't understand how is it that you could already figured out how much money I will make from an UNPUBLISHED book. Writing and publishing a book is not, again, a guaranty to make money.---End Quote--- I said nothing of a guaranty. A book has the potential to make money, a paper doesn't. It's very easy. If you were as altruistic as you make believe and your findings would have a scientific value you would submit them to be judged by experts in the field. me, My plan is to write a book and let it be judge by the whole world, sorry if this idea doesn't please you. If the signing up to this forum, as well as the other sources that I have used to give this type of information away to world for free does not show the altruism that I carry, than I do not know what else to mention. Quote: ---Quote--- Other people could publish a book and could lose money in the process because of the lack of sales. Look, you should complain about things that are happening and not of things to be. You should complaint about me making money when I am making money. You should wait to point the finger at me until you see that the high price of the unpublished book.---End Quote--- It changes nothing if the price is low or high. It's not a peer reviewed journal, no matter the price. me, I have my own mind and if you do not like the fact that I am not going to a review journal, that is up to you. I could only tell you that at this point in time, I am not interested in TV, newspapers, magazines and what ever. I might do it later, though. ---Quote--- Do not type words into my mouth. You are not reading my information correctly. It looks like you might need help with it. ---End Quote--- Another insult? me, Sorry, but it seems as if you are not looking at the info correctly. I was just trying to make the point that I am willing to help you just in case you needed it. It was not meant as an insult, you only took it that way. I meant it toward the notion that I will be happy to assist you if you feel that you need it. You should put all of the information together again and you would see that you might be taking it wrong. Quote: ---Quote--- If you think that the information that is being provided by the google search is equal to that of my work, Then you should back up your words and post it. I would like for you to post information that is identical to my work. You claim to have found a lot of information on google, then post it. It is as simple as baking it up. Why did you not included this google information along side this info? ---End Quote--- You can't post links here unless you have 10 posts. I think it is well within your capacity to start up google and type in the search string that I mentioned. It isn't that hard to do. me, I will wait until you reach the ten post. There is no hurry, I have all the time in the world for someone that may want to discredit my work. In fact, if you think that you have information that reveals the contrary of my workings, then I am sure someone within the audience or within this administration would help you post them. They are great people. They helped me out before I reach the ten. Quote: ---Quote--- If anyone were to go back to when I first started posting this information, I am sure that they will find that I have mentioned that "I know it may be hard to believe and that I will SOON be posting the necessary information within my website". I have made it clear that I will be revealing on my website the information on the zero gravity capsules and its results. I have made it clear that I will provide pictures and information on some mutated species. This mutational information should be posted within the next few days. All of the experiments that will be revealed have been completed and are within the editing process. I will mention when this informing is ready for the showing. [..] Be patient. I will soon (a day or so) reveal or provide the proper information that should feed the hunger of those with the knowledge curiosity. ---End Quote--- Are you familiar with the term "viral marketing"? me, No I am not familiar with "viral marketing". If I have the time I'll try to find out. I do not understand what this info is about or how to take it. Quote: ---Quote--- I know that I am just a guy doing his little research from home and nothing more. ---End Quote--- .. who ranks himself among the greatest scientists who ever roamed the earth apparently - and that without ever having finished more than one semester of chemistry! I would say thats a rather humble point of view; especially since you supposedly invented a time machine and a fountain of youth (to name only a few I guess), something the greatest minds were not able to do. me, This is why I mentioned why I think you may not be understanding the info very well because I have never compared myself with anyone and yet you are claiming that I am comparing myself with the great minds. I have never mentioned or pointed toward the idea that I should be compared to anyone. This is your makings. I just wanted to mention that some people that have very little education and with no room at all to comfortably work from and yet they surprise the world one day by creating or discovering something worth while. I'm trying to mention, pretty much, that just because I am also within the low education situation, I should not be placed aside because I too just might have what it takes to make that surprise. Trust me, I too am surprised that someone else did not make this discoveries instead of I. I could only credit an unusual imagination. I hope this info might of clear some things. If not, write back. I want to make sure everything is clear enough that you and everyone else will understand it. ---------------- Gravity is not a thing - it's an action. Gravity is here. Gravity is there. Gravity is everywhere. Without gravity, nothing would exist, me. | |
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| Thinking | Re: I Grow Plants Upside Down Michealangelica, This is a good question. Quote: So, would you need some artificial gravity in space?? me, Of course, I have not been in outer space. But the research that I am working with suggest that artificial gravity could be necessary or essential to healthy growth toward any species outside of the planet. I would need more research to be able to totally provide a more solid answer for you. Are you interested in outer space plant growth? Make sure you stick around and check back to this thread because I should be posting more information on the type of research that I am conducting. I should be reveal even more amazing stuff. You and your friends might get a kick out of it, so spread the word about this information. Thanks for taking the time to write and for also reading some of the posted information. Write back if you have any more questions (big or small). ---------------- Gravity is not a thing - it's an action. Gravity is here. Gravity is there. Gravity is everywhere. Without gravity, nothing would exist, me. | |
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