Evolution Must Be Taught in Public Schools

[Galapagos]

Originally Posted by Essay

Yes, thanks.
It was very faithful to Ben's trailer.

....linked to that clip was:
Atheist Nation | Atheist Videos | Sam Harris makes a joke and a point. | Video 01168

I wish I could see the whole discussion!

'Sam Harris debate with Rabbi David Wolpe' by American Jewish University - RichardDawkins.net

This is one of my favorite Harris debates. Enjoy.

[Essay]

Originally Posted by Galapagos

'Sam Harris debate with Rabbi David Wolpe' by American Jewish University - RichardDawkins.net

This is one of my favorite Harris debates. Enjoy.

Wow! Thanks....

I was just thinking about the clip.
It's an interesting question that comes up in this Sam Harris discussion.
What happens when religious dogma conflicts with scientific dogma?

I've been trying to approach these questions with a reconciliatory view.
If, as a human, one can try to "translate" the contrary view into a non-threatening framework, then interesting new questions arise; the debate might progress.

For instance:
The Earth is 6000 years old!
Hmmmm, okay; but you know that G0d laid down all this "evidence" that tells us about how the planet changes over time. Was this to fool us, or to inform us?
What we should be debating (with religious people) is whether or not to use these clues that G0d gave us to help save humanity and the Creation.

Humans didn't "evolve" from Apes!
Hmmmm, okay; but you know that G0d made Apes (and other mammals, life, etc.) similar enough to Humans that we can learn a lot about our physiology, diseases, and metabolism from them.
We should be debating whether or not to use this knowledge to help save humanity and the Creation.

If scientists could try to view religious dogma as a system of jargon to be translated into more familiar jargon, then maybe the conversation could progress onto more meaningful, rewarding questions and goals.

I know this could be unrealistic depending on the people, laws, or other circumstances involved; but occasionally this might be an available option.


Well, I'll have to watch the whole deal, eh?
Thanks again!

[InfiniteNow]

Originally Posted by InfiniteNow

So, the movie was released. PZ Myers, the blogger behind Pharyngula, and a professor at the University of Minnesota was almost arrested when he tried to attend a showing of Ben Stein's anti-Evolution movie Expelled.

However, they completely missed his guest in true and classic myopic creationist... erm... cdesign proponentsists... style.

See here (scan down to where the text begins to enjoy the fun):

Pharyngula: EXPELLED!


Oh... The irony, the side-splitting, milk coming out of my nose irony.

He was expelled from the movie expelled, but they let his friend enter...

Originally Posted by Not half, but whole!

His friend was Richard Dawkins... You can read his account of events here:

'Lying for Jesus?' by Richard Dawkins - RichardDawkins.net

YouTube - Discussion on PZ Myers being expelled...

[InfiniteNow]

Originally Posted by Galapagos

'Sam Harris debate with Rabbi David Wolpe' by American Jewish University - RichardDawkins.net

This is one of my favorite Harris debates. Enjoy.

This was quite good. Thank you.

[InfiniteNow]

http://www.expelledexposed.com/

Flunked, Not Expelled:
What Ben Stein isn't telling
you about Intelligent Design

Welcome to Expelled Exposed, a detailed look at the Ben Stein movie Expelled: No Intelligence Allowed. We'll show you why this movie is not a documentary at all, but anti-science propaganda aimed at creating the appearance of controversy where there is none.

To learn why the claims made in Expelled are false, find out The Truth behind the Fiction. For information on the producers and their actions, go Behind the Scenes. To learn more about evolution and intelligent design, or to see what other people thought of Expelled, view our links to other online Resources.

Also:

Special Report on Human Evolution - New Scientist

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Originally Posted by InfiniteNow

http://www.expelledexposed.com/

Link does not work.

[InfiniteNow]

Strange. Works here.

I presume you should be able to back door yourself in by clicking the first link here:

expelled exposed - Google Search

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Originally Posted by InfiniteNow

Strange. Works here.

I presume you should be able to back door yourself in by clicking the first link here:

expelled exposed - Google Search

No "backdoor" needed.

I just tried again and it worked, but I noticed the following message at the top of the page:

"The full ExpelledExposed.com site is experiencing particularly high traffic at the moment. We are working to resolve this problem as quickly as possible."

So therein lies the source of the problem me thinks. Not a bad problem to have though.

I checked it out and it's all media sources it seems. I read a few and it confirmed what I already preconceived about the movie. I still want to see it though.
The liturgical letters were...er...interesting.

[InfiniteNow]

Has everyone heard of this beautiful little nugget already?

YouTube - Teacher Expelled Over Religion

Chris Comer, a Science Teacher in Texas was Expelled for not teaching Intelligent Design in her science class. It's a scary day indeed when our science teachers get fired for recognizing that creationism is not science.

We are here to call out Ben Stein and his ludicrous ideas that are the spotlight of his new movie about Intelligent Design. The movie is a manipulation of lies that repackage religious creationism as Intelligent Design and teach it as science in public schools. We must stand up and keeps science out of our public science education.

[InfiniteNow]

Science After Sunclipse Blog Archive Creation, Power and Violence

Open your mouth about evolution around the wrong people, though, and you can find yourself harassed, ejected from your job and even beaten in the street.

Just ask these people.

...he was fired because he did not teach the story of Adam and Eve as literal truth.

And another:

Her three years as an assistant professor ended with assaults on her integrity and her physical self:

Maurice Sendak’s award-winning book Where the Wild Things Are was removed from school libraries, as it might “confuse children as to the true nature of Beelzebub.”

Another:

The real occurrence of violence gives death threats a certain cachet of intimidating force. Eric Pianka, a biologist at UT Austin, gave a speech before the Texas Academy of Science, which was presenting him with a distinguished-service award. In his speech, he articulated his fears that overpopulation will lead to a disaster for the human species. The story then took a twist which a fiction writer would be hard-pressed to surpass: a creationist named Forrest Mims claimed that Pianka advocated releasing the Ebola virus to eliminate 90% of the world’s population. Other creationists, like William Dembski, soon picked up the story, leading to online hysteria. Within days, Pianka himself and others in the Texas Academy of Science received death threats.

These people, who have suffered because they accept the scientific truth of evolution, are not raving atheists or infidel interlopers. They learned the hard way that some folks just aren’t satisfied with “theistic evolution,” with the idea that the Creation took a long time or that science and religion answer different kinds of questions. Compromise and coexistence are, quite simply, not good enough. Those who advise such a friendly relationship find themselves, dare I say it, expelled.