[REASON]

Hmmm.....more Creationists preoccupied with being at war.

Creationism in the form of Intelligent Design has not been "expelled," it has been rejected from the get-go by the scientific community as having no basis in science. No matter how much you try and disguise Creationism with scientific lingo and technical sounding jargon, it's still just Creationism in the end.

Creationism in the form of Intelligent Design has no basis in science, like it or not.

Coming to the conclusion that the creation of life is too complicated to be produced naturally, and therefore implies a Designer>Creator>God is not science. Particularly when the observable evidence suggests otherwise.

What this so called war is really about is a war for the control of thought. And nothing throughout human history has been more interested in controlling thought than religion. The fervently religious, with their Creationism disguised as ID, are the true attackers in this war.

Primarily, scientists have invested themselves in the quest for understanding the real world, not for the sake of undermining religious thought, but for the sake of simply understanding. On the contrary, when the religious feel that information garnered through the scientific method and presented to the public is threatening to their ideals, there follows a concerted, defensive effort to undermine that particular scientific information.

Evolution happens to be one of those primary triggers because it is believed to be contrary to the biblical teachings of Genesis, and one of God's primary functions, the creation of life. The fear is that evolution will convince people to reject Genesis, in favor of a Godless world in which they don't want to live. And, insuring that a majority of people believe as they do provides reassurance that they are correct in the beliefs they hold so dear.

Out of all that is scientific, evolution has been targeted for extinction. And it has been determined by fundamentalists and evangelicals in the religious community that the way to eradicate evolution is at the point the information in support of it is presented to young, impressionable minds.....the classroom. This attack is being waged in school boards, administrations, and state legislatures by religious fanatics.

As a result, the science education community is being forced to hold their ground legally, and so far have been fairly successful in that endeavor. But the religious propagation machine has proven to be relentless in it's efforts to infiltrate the science classroom, and it is incumbent upon the scientific community to remain strong so as to insure that science education is not corrupted, and that students are able to rely on learning genuine science.

Religious education including Intelligent Design, should be relegated to the church environment, the home, and within any private institution prone to promote such teachings, and should remain free from assault by the scientific community in those arenas. This type of agreement would promote mutual respect and allow citizens to freely choose what to believe in their hearts without fear of scrutiny and condemnation.

But as it stands, a war is being waged, and science educators are the true defenders of freedom of thought.

[CraigD]

I didn’t know Ben Stein was a creationist!

I’ve seen adds for the “Expelled: No Intelligence Allowed”, but thought they were adds for a new television game or commentary show poking fun as stupidity in schools. I was completely oblivious that the “intelligence” in the title referred to intelligent design, rather than general intelligence. The little experience I’ve had with Stein consisted of a episode or two of “Win Ben Stein’s Money”, a gameshow where he mostly made jokes about contestants’ lack of education and cleverness. I never detected any overtones of religious fundamentalism or science rejection.

I also knew nothing of Stein’s long legal and political career, believing him to be just a career comic actor. Once again, hypography has contributed to my education

[moyself]

In my opinion, Evolution is as much a religion as is Creation. There should be opportunities for both theories. If they won't do that, then parents who want their child to learn about Creation should be able to withdraw them from a class that teaches Evolution

[Thunderbird]

Originally Posted by moyself

In my opinion, Evolution is as much a religion as is Creation. There should be opportunities for both theories. If they won't do that, then parents who want their child to learn about Creation should be able to withdraw them from a class that teaches Evolution

This is one reason why home school is big in the bible belt.
The results are socially and academically maladjusted children.

Given a few generations of this the results will be a massive population that finds themselves disoriented and disconnected, and unable to compete. Ironic isn’t it.

[Turtle]

While taking an astronomy class, a fellow student raised her hand during the scientific explanation of the creation of stars and stated that what the teacher said was contrary to her religious belief. His reply, which came quick and unfaltering, was that she didn't have to believe the material, just learn it.

Public schools exist as an arm of government and as such should not respect any establishment of religion.

http://www.usconstitution.net/const.txt

Originally Posted by US Constitution

...Amendment 1
Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion...

[The D.S.]

I know this is off topic, and most likely insensitive and rather harsh, but can someone PLEASE tell me why moyself, the guy who has been going from thread to thread, spreading every kinda religious woo-ha and kind of information, aka his stance on global warming being wrong, creationisnm in schools, Gods attempt to save us all ect..., why his karma status is decievingly high while mine, is, well, i dunno, bout as low as it gets.

It jus kinda aggrevates me how I come here, spouting worthy scientific opinions on a variety if topics, and then a religious woo-ha comes along and tries refuting everything and gets to nab a nice chunk of authority.

Lets think about that for a sec.

Now on to evolution (you know, the thing that lead us to become human beings, not Gods image...gag me).

Evolution is a scientific endeavor while Creationism is a lame attempt at justifying religious belief that God made us all special. In schools, religion needs to make an abrupt exit and let the real teaching go to the professionals who know what they are doing.

By the way, school is a part of government regulated education, and thereofre should NOT have religion even touching it.

Thanks, and remember, I'm not trying to sound mean...I'm jus ticked that a religious opinion is being held over a very sensible and scientific one.

[Thunderbird]

Originally Posted by Turtle

While taking an astronomy class, a fellow student raised her hand during the scientific explanation of the creation of stars and stated that what the teacher said was contrary to her religious belief. His reply, which came quick and unfaltering, was that she didn't have to believe the material, just learn it.

Public schools exist as an arm of government and as such should not respect any establishment of religion.

http://www.usconstitution.net/const.txt

I attended Sunday school and services every week and am able to hold the personally religions veiw and science as separate but equally important paradigms.

Thank you Turtle for making that distinction between the two.

[moyself]

Originally Posted by The D.S.

I know this is off topic, and most likely insensitive and rather harsh, but can someone PLEASE tell me why moyself, the guy who has been going from thread to thread, spreading every kinda religious woo-ha and kind of information, aka his stance on global warming being wrong, creationisnm in schools, Gods attempt to save us all ect..., why his karma status is decievingly high while mine, is, well, i dunno, bout as low as it gets.

It jus kinda aggrevates me how I come here, spouting worthy scientific opinions on a variety if topics, and then a religious woo-ha comes along and tries refuting everything and gets to nab a nice chunk of authority.

Lets think about that for a sec.

Now on to evolution (you know, the thing that lead us to become human beings, not Gods image...gag me).

Evolution is a scientific endeavor while Creationism is a lame attempt at justifying religious belief that God made us all special. In schools, religion needs to make an abrupt exit and let the real teaching go to the professionals who know what they are doing.

By the way, school is a part of government regulated education, and thereofre should NOT have religion even touching it.

Thanks, and remember, I'm not trying to sound mean...I'm jus ticked that a religious opinion is being held over a very sensible and scientific one.

The D.S.
The reason you have to disagree with me is because you are not willing to take the time and think about changing opinions. How do you know my stance on global warming is wrong? How do you know you aren't the ignorant one(instead of half of your class)? How can you say that your opinions are "worthy and scientific" while mine are "lame and woo-ha"?

Not trying to be mean but you're being a little bit arrogant. Could you try to respect others' opinions?

Thanks

[The D.S.]

I understand you have your own opinins and ways of thinking, however, I can only tolerate irrationality to a point.

[moyself]

Originally Posted by The D.S.

I understand you have your own opinins and ways of thinking, however, I can only tolerate irrationality to a point.

Irrationability... Ha! You are still having a closed mind. You cannot say my arguments are irrational because I might think the same of yours-all a matter of opinion