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can you name one?
Lets see.....

Silver reacting with sulfur.
Sulfur reacting with iron.
Iron reacting with oxygen.
Hydrogen reacting with Nitrogen
Hydrogen reacting with oxygen
Hydrogen reacting with sulfur
Hydrogen reacting with carbon
Oxygen reacting with almost everything
chlorine reacting with almost anything

The list is far too large for me to list every possible inorganic chemical reaction on the Earth. What is your point?


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has any of these reactions learned to control themselves?
once joined something must separate them so they can join again or the reaction would stop.

how did carbon overcome this hurtle?
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has any of these reactions learned to control themselves?
once joined something must separate them so they can join again or the reaction would stop.

how did carbon overcome this hurtle?
First of all, energy from the sun, radioactivity, heat and lightning provide energy to drive chemical reactions so your premise that chemical reactions must stop after they have all reacted together is false. Secondly Carbon naturally forms complex molecules with far greater ease than any other element. carbon chemistry is easily driven toward complexity by excess energy in the environment.


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The list is far too large for me to list every possible inorganic chemical reaction on the Earth.
Indeed. Just to support your point:

Types of Inorganic Chemical Reactions
Elements and compounds react with each other in numerous ways. Memorizing every type of reaction would be challenging and also unncecessary, since nearly every inorganic chemical reaction falls into one or more of four broad categories.
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are you saying that a fire can learn? can teach other fires?
In a way it can, it does spread with more material that it ignites and when that material ignites, there's identical fire with the same traits as all fire does, red/yellow/blue and HOT!

now it might not be genetic, but it is chemical, and traits are the same
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I presume he is searching for a gap which he can fill with "god."
Here you hit the nail on the head.

It's interesting on that score to ponder why He—rather than associating Himself with physical evolutionary processes—chose to associate Himself with stealthy objects or events indistinguishable from the bewildering array of such creatures as ghosts, goblins, fairies, phantoms, angels, demons, devils, demigods, imps, jinns, trolls, sprites, nymphs, fauns, wish-nicks, mother goose, poltergeists and other apparition-like spirits.

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In a way it can, it does spread with more material that it ignites and when that material ignites, there's identical fire with the same traits as all fire does, red/yellow/blue and HOT!

now it might not be genetic, but it is chemical, and traits are the same
if that were true then we wouldn't need school, knowledge would be pasted on chemically
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It's interesting on that score to ponder why He—rather than associating Himself with physical evolutionary processes—chose to associate Himself with stealthy objects or events indistinguishable from the bewildering array of such creatures as ghosts, goblins, fairies, phantoms, angels, demons, devils, demigods, imps, jinns, trolls, sprites, nymphs, fauns, wish-nicks, mother goose, poltergeists and other apparition-like spirits.

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appartently you know more about that stuff than i do
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carbon chemistry is easily driven toward complexity by excess energy in the environment.
are you talking about todays enviroment or the enviroment "billions of years ago"?
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if that were true then we wouldn't need school, knowledge would be pasted on chemically
You mean like salmon returning to their spawning grounds, or migratory birds navigating by the stars, or antelope knowing their mating ritual. Yes, quite a lot of 'knowledge' can be passed on genetically. What's your point?

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are you talking about todays enviroment or the enviroment "billions of years ago"?
Both. Today the complexity is maintained and expanded within an already complex, diverse web of life within an environment shaped by life. In the past the complexity was driven to higher complexity within a comparatively simple, but steadily complexifying, environment.


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