Evolution is Fact

[goku]

Originally Posted by REASON

It is staggering the amount of misinformation, distortions, presuppositions, fallacies, and outright lies that are contained in that video,

okay, could you tell me two of the lies please?
so i might see what you see

[C1ay]

Originally Posted by goku

okay, could you tell me two of the lies please?
so i might see what you see

1. At the very beginning of the video the narrator claims that if the universe did not originate from an explosion that the only other option is that is was created. This is patently false.

2. Next the claim is made that all attempts to explain the mechanical formation of planets have failed. This implies that they have all been factually disproven which is also patently false.

3. The narrator then claims that many observations contradict theories on how the solar system evolved. On the contrary we have an increasing number of observations of other solar systems that support the accretion disk theory.

4. The statement that all planets should spin in the same direction because they evolved in the same solar system is patently false.

5. He then states that all moons in the solar system should orbit their planets in the same sense. There is no reason to leap to this conclusion.

6. He states that forming a planet from a series of collisions should produce a non-spinning planet. This could only be true if all of the collisions were precisely centered.

7. He states that there is an unsurmountable hurdle to the formation of large gaseous planets because gases dissipate easily in outer space completely ignoring the effects of gravity and the formation of stars from the same gases.

8. He states that science has no answer as to why some planets have rings, again ignoring the accretion disk theory as if it doesn't exist.

9. He then states that theories on the moon's origin are completely inadequate with an outright claim that the moon's elements are too dissimilar to Earth's even though the analysis of rocks returned from the moon shows a high probability that the moon originated from the Earth.

10. He then states that the moon's orbital plane and circular orbit are evidence of creation.

11. Then the claim is made that there is NO evidence that the planetary system could have come about by mechanical means.

From small lies to big lies the video is effectively one long string of lies from beginning to end.

[Pyrotex]

Originally Posted by Thunderbird

In the current tree of life scenario all the original animals came from simpler animals that came from one really simple animal like sponge, But that may not be the case as the fossil evidence suggest every thing showed up all at once very complex to start with. ..which can be explained scientifically though science of emergence.

OTOH: The DNA evidence would seem to indicate a common "ancestor". Of all possible amino acids (20+ are known), the same 4 are used by all life on Earth (technically 5). The same triplets of amino acids code for the same proteins in the vast, vast, vast majority of lifeforms.

What we are dealing with is a concealed assumption.

We have assumed that evolution is always as glacially slow as we see it today. I strongly suspect this is not the case. The very first cellular "life" would have been imperfect in many ways. Especially in reproduction. I would wager that most of a cell's offspring had significant mutations, just from chemical instability, leaky cell walls, blocked transcription, multiple RNA strands, etc. There were no predators.

I think there are moments in the origin of life, perhaps multiple moments, where it progressed much as wildfire in dry grasslands. The new form of life, whether the first cell, or the first Eukaryotic cell, or the first multi-cell organims--it spread like wildfire, mutating furiously at every generation, leaving waste products everywhere that affected even more mutations. There was no DNA repair. It was total glorious chaos. And in that chaos, perhaps in only a few million years, the next phase of life spread around the planet

The Cambrian Explosion was exactly that. Imagine it. A biochemical explosion spreading around the planet at about the speed of ink dispersing in water. The sun went down on one world. A million sunrises later, it arose on a totally different world. With a dozen new body plans that had not existed before.

[InfiniteNow]

Originally Posted by C1ay

From small lies to big lies the video is effectively one long string of lies from beginning to end.

Great job on the list, C1ay.


I particularly like the one, "If the solar system evolved, then all of the planets should rotate in the same direction. Since the planets don't all rotate in the same direction, the solar system didn't evolve."

Another good one was, "If the solar system evolved, then the planets should be made of the same components of the sun. Since the sun is 99% hydrogen, then the planets should be as well. Since the planets are not 99% hydrogen, evolution is false."


This is not hard to debunk, yet still so many people choose to believe the false statements and ideas. There is a fundamental problem in a society where faith in the absence of evidence is seen as a good thing, especially when all available evidence contradicts that faith.

[Thunderbird]

What we are dealing with is a concealed assumption.

This is a very apt statement, in that the shared DNA would seem to indicate a common multi-cellular ancestor, when the common ancestor may in fact have been the single cell.

In the emergent scenario the tipping point was reached within the autonomous single cell prior to the Cambrian explosion . An informational threshold was reached as a prerequisite minimal potential. This thresholds being the minimal code for a second autopoetic leap into the environmental constraints of the macro environment. This event marked as separately emerging body plans manifesting directly out of a pre-crystallized cellular agglomerations that can now conform to a new fitness space of varying environmental dynamics, conditions, cycles, and platforms.

[REASON]

Originally Posted by InfiniteNow

This is not hard to debunk, yet still so many people choose to believe the false statements and ideas. There is a fundamental problem in a society where faith in the absence of evidence is seen as a good thing, especially when all available evidence contradicts that faith.

And you know what? It's one thing if false information is accidentally spread, it's quite another when there is the blatent intention to spread false information for the purpose of controlling thought.

In fact, it is shameful!

[Pyrotex]

Originally Posted by InfiniteNow

Great job on the list, C1ay.
...yet still so many people choose to believe the false statements and ideas. There is a fundamental problem in a society where faith in the absence of evidence is seen as a good thing, especially when all available evidence contradicts that faith.

"Man’s unfailing capacity to believe what he prefers to be true rather than what the evidence shows to be likely and possible has always astounded me. We long for a caring Universe which will save us from our childish mistakes, and in the face of mountains of evidence to the contrary, we will pin all our hopes on the slimmest of doubts. God has NOT been proven to NOT exist -- therefore -- he MUST exist.”

-- Academician Prokhov Zakharov,
“Alpha Centauri”

[Pyrotex]

Originally Posted by REASON

...the blatent intention to spread false information... is shameful!

Amen

[goku]

Originally Posted by C1ay

6. He states that forming a planet from a series of collisions should produce a non-spinning planet. This could only be true if all of the collisions were precisely centered.

that is not the only way, but i'll let you think about it
cuz i think you know

[goku]

Originally Posted by C1ay

7. He states that there is an unsurmountable hurdle to the formation of large gaseous planets because gases dissipate easily in outer space completely ignoring the effects of gravity and the formation of stars from the same gases.

really? that's a purty good point

i mean seeing how no one was there when the solar system formed
but it is hard to figure out cuz all we have is the end of the equation
ex. the answer is 911255, now give me the problem