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| Creating | Re: Creation vs. Evolution Quote:
If someone tells you they are historical events they are missing the point of the story. The tower is a metaphor for ego, and control. I do think the attitude that man has control over nature with technology is a modern day tower of Babel. I love studying mythological metaphors in different religions they are a gold mine of the collective ethos. Its kind of ironic that the very best ones come from the native American Indian tribes and they know they are stories of myth. ---------------- I do not know what I seem to the world, but to myself I appear to have been like a boy playing upon the seashore and diverting myself by now and then finding a smoother pebble or prettier shell than ordinary, while the great ocean of truth lay before me all undiscovered. - Sir Isaac Newton | ||
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| Slaying Bad Memes | Re: Creation vs. Evolution Quote:
The Earth didn't just form out of nothing. No one is claiming the Earth formed out of nothing. The creation of the Earth has absolutely nothing to do with "evolution". And the whole act of calculating a probability is without merit or sense. You're walking on thin ice here. If you want to talk about evolution from a scientific perspective, then do so. You're off to a really bad start. Pyro / MODERATOR ---------------- Hypography Forums Moderator -- - - - - - What concerns me is not the way things are, but rather the way people think things are. Epictetus, Greek Philosopher The map is NOT the territory. Korzybski, Polish-American Philosopher | ||
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| Dibbler ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | Here's a new comprehensive examination on the topic from New Scientist. Quote:
>>Evolution: 24 myths and misconceptions - life - 16 April 2008 - New Scientist ---------------- Who doesn't want to use words that will stun people into silence? ~ShaYou gonna eat that? | ||
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| Sonic Determination | Re: Creation vs. Evolution Quote:
But in my opinion, the issue for Creationists and the perveyors of ID isn't really about misconceptions with regard to the science of evolution, even though that is the playing field where they always like to keep the discussion. It is not about being skeptical or ignorant of the facts surrounding evolution. The goal in this instance is to undermine the credibility of science by always attempting to create doubt about the information it produces, and by keeping the debate about fallacies and misconceptions in the science, they can avoid dealing with the critical questions they cannot answer that force them into their reliance on faith, and protect the belief system for which they are so emotionally connected. I am not convinced that even if Evolution were to arrive at an undeniable factual certainty (as many have already concluded), Biblical Creationists would continue to deny it in perpetuity. The reason is, Evolution represents Godlessness in their minds. And they cannot visualize a natural universe devoid of God, nor are they willing to. ID is at least a bit of a concession. But ID is always mistakenly pitted against Evolution when the two are actually addressing different aspects of life development. To me the reason is because anything that can be used to create doubt and undermine the science of evolution is protecting belief in God, if not God himself in their minds. Science must continue to stay focused on the scientific method and maintain that theories such as Creationism or Intelligent Design must undergo the same scientific scrutiny and peer review as any other hypothesis or theory, and earn a place in the science curriculum. Otherwise, the point is moot, and the theory should be relegated to the private institution or church environment. Let us reject the God of the Gaps and the inference that an inconsistency or a lack of understanding is evidence in favor of a higher power. The burden of proof lies with the claimant. Let the evidence lead us to a better understanding, and those who fear the implications surrounding the evidence in support of Evolution are free to stand with their faith. But let the rest of us decide for ourselves as well. ---------------- When what you believe is refuted by evidence, you are faced with a choice. Last edited by REASON; 04-18-2008 at 10:11 PM. | ||
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| Sonic Determination | Re: Creation vs. Evolution Quote:
Of course, I don't believe their argument can ever earn any credibility once subjected to peer review. It never has thus far, and never will. It can't for the reasons that have been thoroughly stated here. There is no evidence in support of Creationism. But they are not really interested in proving Creationism. They are interested in controlling belief. This is why it is important for them to infiltrate the science classroom with ID or to argue against evolution ad nauseum. Belief is what sustains the church. Keeping the numbers of believers high not only pads the coffers, but serves the greater purpose of providing reinforcement to the belief in God and his promises. It's a form of safety in numbers. The more people believe in God, the more legitimate that belief becomes in their minds. It doesn't matter what the evidence shows. It's group think. Evolution has been deemed an attack on the belief in God by atheistic science, and so they have chosen to fight it. And as you have said, they can argue until the cows come home and it won't change the apparent reality that life has come about and progressed in this natural world through a natural process, the details of which will continue to be refined and understood in time. Hopefully, in this ridiculous Creation vs. Evolution battle, rationality will prevail over delusion. But the discussion will have to be properly framed in order for that to happen, and the scientific community will have to place a greater importance on finding ways to share the information in laymen's terms so that ignorance can be replaced with knowledge and understanding. With knowledge and understanding will come belief. ---------------- When what you believe is refuted by evidence, you are faced with a choice. | ||
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