Evolution interferring with religion?

[orbsycli]

that's what i heard too...once again, just like that childrens game "Telephone" where you sit in a circle and pass along a sentance.

[IrishEyes]

Originally Posted by jp3089

"The Case for Christ" by Lee Strobel. It's a good read. Asks a lot of tough questions about Christianity, Jesus, and the Bible.

I even have a copy I'd be willing to send to you.

-jp

I've read it. It was 'interesting'. Thanks for the offer. Is that your only source of information, for which you make your claims? Or have you done other studying on this subject?

[IrishEyes]

Originally Posted by Fishteacher73

Was it not at aprox. 300 c.e. that the "church" took the writings and compiled what it wanted, and ignored other sources (Usually called aprocrypha, if I recall).

Yes, it was 'around' that time. I've done some research on this when studying about the different versions of the Bible currently in use. That's one of the reasons I asked jp for his source, as the information I have is very different.

It's my understanding that the 'church' combined many different religions to come up with what is now Catholocism. They used parts of Judaism, Christianity, Gnosticism, and paganism. The intent was to create a religion that many different groups of conquered people could accept, while the church remained the ultimate authority. In this way, God was taken out of the equation, and a man was put in his place. Religion became more a way for the church to control the masses and less about a personal relationship with God.

[bumab]

Originally Posted by jp3089

Have you ever had a chance to read The Message? I'm pretty sure it's even more paraphrase than the Living Bible. It's a lot of fun to read.

I have, and I was thinking about it as I wrote that post. Just thought it would add more confusion. I do like it, very accessable. Besides "the case for Christ," have you read "a new kind of chistian?" sounds like you would find it interesting.

[bumab]

Originally Posted by lindagarrette

Most of the archeological evidence recently surfacing conflicts with the biblical stories and there is no corroborated evidence that Jesus as glorified in the gospels, ever existed. Biblical scholars have dismissed the external sources as forgeries. You can check the internet for multitudes of references for verification.

I'm sorry, but I've yet to hear of a conflicting discovery towards parts of the historical bible. Ur was discovered, Josephus is still accepted (as far as I know), etc etc. I tried looking it up on Google- found nothing but obviously biased sites (on both sides ). I'm sorry I've not time right now to look into it more in depth- did you have a particular source in mind?

Also, of course you can take things literally and not literally in the same book- that's obvious. Textbooks use analgoies all the time. If you were talking about different people taking the same part literally or as an analogy, that's an obviously valid concern... but misinterpritation does nothing for your argument.

Careful study of the origional languages, the historical context, etc etc brings out the details. Could we be wrong about some things? Of course- nobody here is claiming to have the exactly correct definition...

[jp3089]

Originally Posted by bumab

I have, and I was thinking about it as I wrote that post. Just thought it would add more confusion. I do like it, very accessable. Besides "the case for Christ," have you read "a new kind of chistian?" sounds like you would find it interesting.

I actually own it. It's a great book, although I'm not completely on the "postmodern" bandwagon quite yet. I do agree with many of its main points, though.

-jp

[jp3089]

Originally Posted by IrishEyes

It's my understanding that the 'church' combined many different religions to come up with what is now Catholocism. They used parts of Judaism, Christianity, Gnosticism, and paganism. The intent was to create a religion that many different groups of conquered people could accept, while the church remained the ultimate authority. In this way, God was taken out of the equation, and a man was put in his place. Religion became more a way for the church to control the masses and less about a personal relationship with God.

I've never heard that before. My studies of the historical church have turned up nothing like that. The book "Church History in Plain Language" by Shelley is a great read to give you a step-by-step history of the church as a whole. Besides, I don't think Catholics would agree with that at all. Have you spoken to a Catholic historian about this?

Where did you get that information?

-jp

[jp3089]

Originally Posted by lindagarrette

Most of the archeological evidence recently surfacing conflicts with the biblical stories and there is no corroborated evidence that Jesus as glorified in the gospels, ever existed. Biblical scholars have dismissed the external sources as forgeries. You can check the internet for multitudes of references for verification.

Hi there. Which Biblical scholars specifically? Which archaeological evidences? You didn't list anything specific.

Josephus and Tacitus are as accepted as any 1st, 2nd, and 3rd century authors. Look them up. What about the ossuaries.... you didn't address those.

-jp

[bumab]

Originally Posted by jp3089

I actually own it. It's a great book, although I'm not completely on the "postmodern" bandwagon quite yet. I do agree with many of its main points, though.

It's a good one. I meant to mention the second in that series though, The Story we Find Ourselves In. It's all about evolution and christianity, that's the main topic for the whole book. I recommend it if you've not read it already!

[jp3089]

Originally Posted by bumab

It's a good one. I meant to mention the second in that series though, The Story we Find Ourselves In. It's all about evolution and christianity, that's the main topic for the whole book. I recommend it if you've not read it already!

Hi Bumab! Very impressive. You've out-read me in contemporary Christian literature. I will have to get that book soon. I'm currently working on "Visioneering" by Andy Stanley. I also am going to be starting "7 Practices of Effective Ministry" by the same author.

That sounds very interesting, though. I didn't realize it had to do with evolution. That bumped it up to the top of my list. Thanks Bumab!

-jp