Is homosexuality unnatural?

[Larv]

Originally Posted by REASON

Well it shouldn't be too hard to find. It should be right where the hetero gene normally would be.

Good answer! Mine's on my Y chromosome. Wonder where women get their sexual orientation, since they are extremely deficient in the Y chromosome.

[InfiniteNow]

Originally Posted by Larv

I suspect you are right about this, but I haven't yet seen a convincing confirmation of a "gay gene."

Originally Posted by REASON

Well it shouldn't be too hard to find. It should be right where the hetero gene normally would be.

Considering how prominent a part our sexual behavior plays in the survival of our offspring, it's highly unlikely that our sexual preference is determined by a single gene. The much more likely explanation is that our sexual behavior is the result of a combination of many different genes.


The Real Story on Gay Genes | Sex & Gender | DISCOVER Magazine

Whether or not a gay gene, a set of gay genes, or some other biological mechanism is ever found, one thing is clear: The environment a child grows up in has nothing to do with what makes most gay men gay. Two of the most convincing studies have proved conclusively that sexual orientation in men has a genetic cause.

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Bocklandt is quick to point out that most likely there is no single “gay gene”—no single switch for sexual orientation. Instead, there are probably a handful of genes that work in ways as yet unexplained.

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He thinks it is likely that perhaps 5 to 15 genes explain sexual orientation in most people.

[REASON]

Originally Posted by InfiniteNow

Considering how prominent a part our sexual behavior plays in the survival of our offspring, it's highly unlikely that our sexual preference is determined by a single gene. The much more likely explanation is that our sexual behavior is the result of a combination of many different genes.

I'm going to guess that the facetious tone in my last post didn't come through very well. But at least it led to the information you provided. That's what's most important. Thanks for digging.

[lemit]

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Originally Posted by lemit
Larv,

If you are truly understanding, you have chosen some very unfortunate language, the language of the Christian right.

Oh, and what might that be? If I make an honest statement about my concern for a child who may be (or becoming) a homosexual, why is that "unfortunate language"?

Thanks for clearing that up for me.

--lemit

[dannieyankee]

As far as I know, homosexuality is definitely not hereditary.

However - it is natural, something that happens to someone beyond their scope of options. Similar to various diseases, only it's not a disease. Maybe neither of your parents have ever, ever been able to play music or have good hearing. All of a sudden, this kid has this musical ability like Mozart.

That's my stance on homosexuality.

The sexual behaviour of some people who claim to be homosexual may be based on pop culture, but most people who say they're gay are actually gay. The more promiscuous, rule bending ones tend to be false.

[InfiniteNow]

Originally Posted by dannieyankee

As far as I know, homosexuality is definitely not hereditary.

Perhaps you missed the post three above yours?



The Real Story on Gay Genes | Sex & Gender | DISCOVER Magazine

Two of the most convincing studies have proved conclusively that sexual orientation in men has a genetic cause.

[HydrogenBond]

Perhaps you are unaware, then, of the fact that over 1,500 animal species have been observed engaging in homosexual behavior, and that out of every single animal which has ever been observed, not one has failed to have homosexual behaviors demonstrated.

One angle for homosexuality that is not address is how homosexuality increases when the shadier segment of humans are put in prison like caged animals. Is there a prison connection to increased homosexuality, in the sense that any type of prison, either physically or psychologically can increase gay behavior. For example, one of the gay laments is they feel like a woman "trapped" or imprisoned in a man's body, which may be an example of one of the psychological prison angles.

Another angle I thought interesting is, in nature the male is typically the more colorful of the two sexes. The male lion has his mane, the peacock male has his colorful feathers, etc. With humans, this is sort of reversed with the female typically the more colorful one. Either humans don't line up with nature, in this particular way or this modification from natural is due to learned social behavior.

Relative to gay males, they typically are more colorful than straight males (majority of cases). If we use natural animals as the guide, does this reflect natural male behavior in gay males (composite effect) or is it just learned behavior based on the assumption this is what females are suppose to do. If it is natural behavior it has an impact on the genetic male-female proportions in gays. If it is learned it has an impact on conditioned to genetic proportions.

[Boerseun]

Originally Posted by HydrogenBond

Another angle I thought interesting is, in nature the male is typically the more colorful of the two sexes. The male lion has his mane, the peacock male has his colorful feathers, etc.

It's to draw attention away from their tiny penises so that they, too, will get laid.

[InfiniteNow]

Originally Posted by HydrogenBond

One angle for homosexuality that is not address is how homosexuality increases when the shadier segment of humans are put in prison like caged animals. Is there a prison connection to increased homosexuality, in the sense that any type of prison, either physically or psychologically can increase gay behavior.

Much more likely is how sexual activity can decrease social tensions. In prison, social tensions are high and sex can be used as a form of currency... almost exactly like bonobos do in nature. Basically, they use sex to reinforce group cohesion and to decrease fights and quarrels.

Further, sex drive is powerful... driven by hormones and millenia of evolution, and a lack of available women does not make that sex drive suddenly turn off. Just because no opposite sex mating partners are available does not mean that our sex drives goes dormant and our desires suddenly evaporate. A likely explanation, in addition to the easement of social tension, is that the profundity of the sexual feelings overcomes the social customs of preferring women. In other words, sex with another man becomes preferable to no sex at all.

It has nothing to do with the prison, and everything to do with our evolved sex drive, a lack of available mates, and the need for social cohesion.

Originally Posted by HydrogenBond

Relative to gay males, they typically are more colorful than straight males (majority of cases). If we use natural animals as the guide, does this reflect natural male behavior in gay males (composite effect) or is it just learned behavior based on the assumption this is what females are suppose to do.

Neither. In SOME animal species, the female is the choosey one. The male has displays to show he is better than other males... He can "waste" resources on pretty feathers, or building a cool nest, or doing a nifty dance... which shows that he is strong enough to have viable offspring... he can "waste" all of this time and energy on pretty feathers and other stuff, instead of focusing purely on finding food and shelter, and avoiding predators.

Now, with that said... The way you are trying to apply this concept of "color" to gay males, and this concept of "what females are supposed to do,"... the way that you are still trying to argue that homosexuality is a learned behavior or personal choice DESPITE the abundance of evidence to the contrary... I'm going to go ahead and let you know... and this is supported by many more posts you've made other than just this one...

You are an ignorant sexist homophobe, and I'd probably shoot you in the face if I ever met you.

[Larv]

Originally Posted by InfiniteNow

Now, with that said... The way you are trying to apply this concept of "color" to gay males, and this concept of "what females are supposed to do,"... the way that you are still trying to argue that homosexuality is a learned behavior or personal choice DESPITE the abundance of evidence to the contrary... I'm going to go ahead and let you know... and this is supported by many more posts you've made other than just this one...

You are an ignorant sexist homophobe, and I'd probably shoot you in the face if I ever met you.

Why not shoot him in his ignorant, sexist, homophobic groin where it will do him (?) the most good. Then maybe he will have a legitimate excuse for choosing from a list of viable options: LGBT.