Have human males past their biological "use-by" date?

[GAHD]

My personal experiences tell me;

Women are more prone to violence; in a bar women fight more than men, or try to get men to fight for their amusement.

Women hold extreme views more often then men; a woman is more likely to shoot to kill than shoot to injure.

Women argue more than men, and will go out of their way to destroy the life of another simply because "I don't like them".

Don't get me wrong, I'm not saying women deserve to be chained up in the kitchen, but in no way shape or form should there be another Mary Antoinette. Humanity can only move forward when neither sex is in dominance, when no one individual holds sway over masses.

[freeztar]

Originally Posted by GAHD

My personal experiences tell me;

Women are more prone to violence; in a bar women fight more than men, or try to get men to fight for their amusement.

Women hold extreme views more often then men; a woman is more likely to shoot to kill than shoot to injure.

Women argue more than men, and will go out of their way to destroy the life of another simply because "I don't like them".

Ok, now I don't feel so bad living south of the border.

In my experiences, women have *never* been more prone to violence.

Don't get me wrong, I'm not saying women deserve to be chained up in the kitchen, but in no way shape or form should there be another Mary Antoinette. Humanity can only move forward when neither sex is in dominance, when no one individual holds sway over masses.

I agree wholeheartedly with your last sentence.

[HydrogenBond]

Males are visual animals and females are more verbal (on the average). The difference this creates is in terms of reality perception, is the male visual allows for better cause and effect perception and extrapolation in physical reality. The reason this is so, is because verbal images can be manipulated easier/faster than the visuals within physical reality. It will take time to set up a magic trick to manipulate visual reality. But one can lie in the blink of an eye. The male has more time for confirming reality.

With words, I can say, I am going to build a bridge made of spaghetti. This can not be done in physical reality, because common sense visual extrapolation will not allow this to materialize visually. But the verbal image of a spaghetti bridge, with the proper sales pitch, especially if it creates confidence and positive emotion, may make it seem possible, to anyone who has limited physical visualization for extrapolation.

This difference is why so many guys are able to lie to women, in the short term. The guy can see his visual limitations within reality. They can also create verbal illusions, out of touch with this reality, banking on the lower visual reality skills of females, knowing that not all female will be as able to extrapolate into physical or visual reality.

Education, in all forms, creates the verbal link to fill in the visual limitations of the female. She can learn to extrapolate via procedure to get the same final effect. Male common sense and his visual nature, allows him to fill this in with less education. This allows men to pioneer new areas where the verbal is not yet in place.

For example, the male driver will often try to find the way to an unknown location without stopping to ask, because he is trying to use his visual skills, which often have atrophied. The female will prefer to depend on verbal advice to oriented her. If the advice is good this may be the faster way. But if it is bad advice, the visual path is less effected.

Mothers have a strong influence on their sons. If the mother allows the son to be spoiled and manipulative, she is molding her son to do that to other women, so other women can blame the male. Since this relationship is reality cause and effect , she it may not be able to see it, but will do this based on something she verbally learned in the latest book, without visual conformation.

The strong father will discipline the spoiled son, because he can visually extrapolate behavior, potentially helping the future women. But other male illusionists, catering to the verbal needs of females, have neutralized the father. With the loss of the strong father figure, sons are being conditioned to depend more on verbal, like the females, creating he-she. This is the male, that some women don't see much use for. Other females defend males, but of the other type; reliable vision.

[Michaelangelica]

Originally Posted by McBrayer

Nice replys........

Yes too good I'd say.
I will try the debaters trick of changing ground.

In Australia, 1 in 4 women are sexually attacked; 1 in 3 suffers from male aggression. In some aboriginal communities this figure is much higher and includes a lot of incest, even with babies.
Now, if this is happening it seems to me that something is wrong with the male biology. Have they been poisoned by the 20th Century chemicals and pesticides? What has happened to their protective and paternal instincts? it has all gone awry.

[enorbet2]

I think it is a mistake to characterize the cycle of abuse as being one confined to or simply growing ever greater (awry) in the 20th Century onward and solely in males. I think it is safe to say that such aberrant behaviour has been common throughout history, with many factors - culture, population density, poverty, drugs (including and maybe even especially alcohol) and apparently in some civilizations, technology and it's pollutants, such as lead pipes and lead drinking vessels for water and wine in ancient Rome - acting as contributing causes.

I am reminded that this "cancer" is also often self-replicating in that the abused often become abusers, so one drunken, screwed up mother or father can in turn screw up several children who can then begin a logarithmic progression when they have children. How a society deals with such issues effects all including public knowledge they even exist. Also, as in the so-called Satanic Cult issues, which seem entirely a fabrication, the waters get muddied and diverted from the real causes which is counter-productive.

Hopefully a visit to the museum and viewing inventions of Medieval times for inhumanity to Man may be a positive reality check that we, and especially considering such a huge increase in population, are actually slowly progressing away from such barbarism.

[Boerseun]

I wouldn't say that there is a big difference between the best and the worst that either males or females have to offer.

For every Hitler, you have a right bitch like Marie Antoinette. Fewer of the female tyrants came to the fore in days gone by, because men were bigger and stronger and hogged high office for themselves. This, however, is not to say they weren't there, of course. You'll read about Genghis Kahn in the history books, but you won't even find a footnote referring Daisy Kahn, his wife, whom he lived in total fear of. She was made of Pure Evil, and had Genghis run around the Steppes bringing her the heads of those people who looked only slightly dodgy to her.

The biggest problem today is, indeed, women's rights. Okay, before the stoning begin, lemme tell you why:

Females now have the same social rights and privileges men have, in the West, at least. But the problem does not lie there - it's all Great and Grand and stuff. The problem lies in the fact that the women now compete on a fair footing with men, without considering what the situation is like at home anymore. OMG - What a chauvinist! Nope. Families are falling apart and kids are growing into complete a-social shits because seeing as mommy can compete with men, she's off working. And daddy isn't reciprocating by quitting his job.

My point is that I don't give a rip who's the working partner, mommy or daddy. But one of them should make a bit of a sacrifice and stay at home, until the kids are in high school, at least. Then we should see a big return to good values and mutual respect. Today's kids are lost, and grow up to be bastards if males and bitches if female. In a big way thanks to women's rights, ironically.

Right. Let the stoning begin.

[pamela]

don't worry, i am not one to throw stones, a brick maybe
When my boys were younger, i had the opportunity to be a stay at home mom. Due to extenuating circumstances, i was forced to go back to the workplace.It was difficult, trying to be supermom, i will admit, but i did not have a choice.With the dissolution of my marriage, the struggle was increased.It is important to take time and listen to your children, whatever the circumstance that you find yourself in. My oldest, now 18 and recently graduated, displays the charcteristics of a gentleman. He is kind, empathetic and sympathetic and intelligent. I could not possibly be prouder. My youngest, although in hormonal craze, still exhibits these qualities. I feel certain, he too, will follow the same path as his brother.
Unfortunately, Boerseun, in today's economy, it often takes 2 incomes just to make ends meet. The absence of parental influence, will indeed have an effect on the children.It is crucial for the parents to make quality time with them and be there for them emotionally. Responsibility and all that entails, should fall on both the mother and father, in order to provide the best emotional well being for their child

[Michaelangelica]

What is the biological role of the human male?

One group of substances of particular concern is a ubiquitous family of hormone twisting compounds, known as endocrine disrupting chemicals (EDCs). These substances are the focus of intense scrutiny because: 1) they're found in every home in America 2) they're increasingly linked to human disease 3) our exposure to them has risen in parallel with the surge in autism diagnoses and 4) they may theoretically affect the developing fetal brain.

In recent years, research has mounted against a virtual police lineup of EDCs, like BPA (in food cans, hard plastic water bottles), phthlates (in soft plastics, cosmetics) and fire retardants (in sofas, computers, flame-resistant clothing). Multiple animal and human studies have linked EDC exposure (during or after fetal development) with a host of hormone-related disorders, like low sperm count, cancer (breast, ovarian, prostate, testicular), congenital malformation of the genitals and even obesity.
. . .
The presence of EDCs in women of child-bearing age is especially worrisome. That is because there is evidence that even minuscule amounts of these chemicals -- levels commonly present in a woman's body -- may disturb fetal brain development during highly sensitive periods of neural development known as windows of vulnerability.
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The US National Toxicology Program has stated that it is concerned about the "effects on the brain, behavior, and prostate gland in fetuses, infants, and children at current human exposures to bisphenol A."

Furthermore, since multiple different EDCs have the same effect on the developing body, exposure to a variety of EDCs may create a large cumulative stress to the body. (In the CDC study quoted above, 84% of adults tested had more than 6 different phthalates coursing through their bodies...and that study didn't even test for the presence of other EDC, e.g. pesticides, fire retardants, etc.)
. . .something changing a fetus' hormonal balance that then leads to over-masculinization of the developing brain.

Could that "something" be the slurry of hormone-altering chemicals we're exposed to every day?
. . .
The "extreme male theory" has been supported by two interesting bits of evidence: 1) fetuses with slightly elevated levels of testosterone grow up acting extra-male (more interested in things than people, slow language development, etc.); 2) children with autism -- boys and girls -- show extra-male characteristics (e.g. poor social ability, language delay).
Here is where the very interesting link to EDCs comes into play: EDCs often act as weak estrogens and estrogen feminizines the body, but in a fetus' developing brain estrogen actually has the opposite effect...it causes masculinization.

Harvey Karp: Cracking the Autism Riddle: Toxic Chemicals, A Serious Suspect in the Autism Outbreak

[Michaelangelica]

Fertility breakthrough Scientists create test-tube sperm

Scientists have created human sperm in the laboratory for the first time. The extraordinary development, which until a few years ago belonged in the realms of science fiction, raises hopes that infertile men may one day be able to father their own biological children.

The sperm were created in a test tube, from stem cells derived from a five-day-old male embryo. The advance raises ethical questions over the safety of the procedure and the threat it poses to the future role of men. It was also challenged by experts who claimed the sperm-like cells produced in the experiment were not genuine sperm.

If the finding is confirmed, a single male embryo could, in theory, yield a stem-cell line which when stored could provide an unlimited supply of sperm. Once the stem-cell line was established, there would be no further reproductive need for men. In a briefing on the research, the scientists at Newcastle University and the NorthEast England Stem Cell Institute, led by Professor Karim Nayernia, raise the question of whether their discovery means "the end of men".

Scientists create test-tube sperm - Science, News - The Independent

John Harris: A world without men? That's not the real ethical issue here

I cannot see a downside to research that increases the range of human possibility and choice
Wednesday, 8 July 2009

The end of men has always been a possibility.
Women have many ways of trying to do without men. They don't need men – they just need their sperm. Sperm is a notoriously renewable resource and it is plentiful. There is always the turkey baster option for women who want to get pregnant but do not see the need to get a man.

Now, if this research is confirmed, all they will need is a very large supply of male stem cells. Might we see the George Clooney stem cell line (assuming he were to consent to it)? I can see no objection. It is no more wrong to choose the genes of your child than your reproductive partner.
Indeed, we have always sought to do both, choosing our partners on the basis of our – sometimes erroneous – belief about the sort of children likely to result.
I see nothing wrong with people exercising that choice using the technology as it becomes available.

http://www.independent.co.uk/opinion...e-1736211.html

Be careful what you wish for?

[maddog]

Originally Posted by Michaelangelica

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Would a woman programmer say something as useless and meaningless as "404 Error" Most upper-classes did. The middle classes and Protestantism changed that.

I found the link was mangled. Try this one.

Feminism, Evolutionary, What is? or What is Evolutionary Feminism?

[Note: need the "%20"]

maddog

ps: done by a "male" programmer.