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Old 03-23-2005   #1 (permalink)
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New abstract;The Second Ring of Life

The Second Ring of Life; The Vesica Attractor
by Christopher Humphrey


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The fossil record show a disparity in the formation of complex body plans.
The individual eukaryote cannot build these structures. They do not carry within themselves a blue print for an overall structure. Science today is attempting to answer these questions via genomic constraints.

Recently discovered fossil evidence has led this author to develop a new evolutionary model that suggest the following;The missing information in the original body design was provided by a wave function acting on a mass of oolitic spheres bound by a microbial substrate.
This substrate crystallized into an archetypal pattern, the first complex animal life. [source of a body plan pattern] that then spawn an entire phyla.
This central archetype then becomes a sustained, central information bank for the phyla.
Releasing new genetic information in pulses over time.
This model not only accounts for the original forms, but also genetic control patterns of punctuated equilibrium. This is what the new evidence is showing in the context of the fossil record.




To read entire manuscipt, http://www.iscid.org/boards/ubb-get_...-t-000007.html

When I found this artifact I was a darwinist and had no knowledge of any major flaw in this theory. When it became apparent that this was an embryonic form that was in the prosses of self assembling from a totality of environmental components, my first reaction was that this was something completly out of sync with the natural order, a parallel evolution of sorts. It forced me to take another look at the fossil record of the early Cambrian. What I found in the text was that this represented a missing piece in organizational phases of the evolution of complex body plans, such as how shelled animals could have survived before developing shells. How eukary cells could come together to form a dynamic self sustaining system cooperatively without starving each other first, just by competing for energy in a contained space. The answers where provided before I had ask them.
The elemental components formed around a logarithm.This geometry is expressed as the wave curls in on itself redirecting the linear flow into a circular one. Once the mico-environment had reached an energetic threshold, the archetypal components of the environment ( oolitic spheres, cyanobacterial filaments, eukaryote cells ) assemble into these spiraling patterns. The oolitic spheres and cyanobacterial filaments are rolled into a recursive, concentric contained form. This layered circular mass begins to act not only as an Architectural framwork, but also as a bridge, connecting fluid dynamics and a life support system for a self-organizing eukaryote system. Macro-dynamics construct and assemble the Micro-components, that intern capture and contained the Macro-dynamics. The wave pulse was the breath of life that the components formed around. I was cognitive of the answer but blissfully unaware of the question. Life, it turns out is based firstly on a flow of energy and secondly on the physical components contained in this flow, and this flow pattern is based on a logarithmic curve,or more well known as, The geometry of phi.

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Re: Vesica Attractor; Life forms like galactic snowflakes

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What I found in the text was that this represented a missing piece in organizational phases of the evolution of complex body plans, such as how shelled animals could have survived before developing shells.
There are many animals that exist without a shell, exoskeloton, or endoskeleton today. Annelids, cnidarians, many mollusks. I do not seem to understand what "hole in the dyke" you are trying to plug....


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Re: Vesica Attractor; Life forms like galactic snowflakes

What I am postulating is that complex life arose from an organization point, an attractor, the vesica attractor is only the source of the higher taxon that arose during the cambrian explosion. Keep in mind before this discovery I was a darwinst, and thought i had a good handle on evolution. After a closer look with this new lens I can now understand life in the context of a larger system. Here are a few of the holes.

"The number of intermediate varieties, which have formerly existed on the earth, (must) be truly enormous. Why then is not every geological formation and every stratum full of such intermediate links? Geology assuredly does not reveal any such finely graduated organic chain; and this, perhaps, is the most obvious and gravest objection which can be urged against my theory".

Darwin, C. (1859)
The Origin of Species (Reprint of the first edition)
Avenel Books, Crown Publishers, New York, 1979, p.292 292

"Indeed, it is the chief frustration of the fossil record that we do not have empirical evidence for sustained trends in the evolution of most complex morphological adaptations."

Gould, S. J. and Eldredge, N., 1988
"Species selection: its range and power"
Scientific correspondence in Nature, Vol. 334, p. 19
Most families, orders, classes, and phyla appear rather suddenly in the fossil record, often without anatomically intermediate forms smoothly interlinking evolutionarily derived descendant taxa with their presumed ancestors.

Eldredge, N., 1989
Macro-Evolutionary Dynamics: Species, Niches, and Adaptive Peaks
McGraw-Hill Publishing Company, New York, p. 22

The fossil record suggests that the major pulse of diversification of phyla occurs before that of classes, classes before that of orders, and orders before families. This is not to say that each higher taxon originated before species (each phylum, class, or order contained at least one species, genus, family, etc. upon appearance), but the higher taxa do not seem to have diverged through an accumulation of lower taxa.

Erwin, D., Valentine, J., and Sepkoski, J. (1988)
"A Comparative Study of Diversification Events"
Evolution, vol. 41, p. 1183

Indeed, it is the chief frustration of the fossil record that we do not have empirical evidence for sustained trends in the evolution of most complex morphological adaptations.

Gould, S. J. and Eldredge, N., 1988
"Species selection: its range and power"
Scientific correspondence in Nature, Vol. 334, p. 19
Erwin, D., Valentine, J., and Sepkoski, J. (1988)
"A Comparative Study of Diversification Events"
Evolution, vol. 41, p. 1183

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Is this something you invented? There doesn't seem to be anything on this anywhere except by you. The actual phrase "vesica attractor" turns up nothing except your post here and your own manuscript yet, your 2nd post in this thread seems to imply that Darwin himself used it. What exactly is the origin of this term and the science behind it?


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Something I found, and named, to refer to in such a way that descibes its function, please read the whole manuscript, and do some reasearch in systems biology. I have been working for ten years and hope to see if the model can hold up under critical review. From darwinest, and I.d. alike. I belive this will provide a middle ground.
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Somthing I found, and named, to refer to in such a way that descibes its function, please read the whole manuscript, and do some reasearch in systems biology. I have been working for ten years and hope to see if the model can hold up under critical review. From darwinest, and I.d. alike.
I will read through it when I get a few minutes. I do think that if you really want to test it though, you need to write a book and challenge Behe, Darwin, et al. Declare that they're all wrong and you're right. You'll get a wealth of people checking that the I's are dotted and the t's crossed in your work. Post it on all the evolution vs creation vs I.D. forums you can find. Declare that you have the answer and you'll have plenty of theories on holes in your work. Make sure all those holes are plugged and you'll have your critical review.


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Thank you, That's just the kind of advise I needed.
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Is this "viscera attractor" pretty much allalogous to ionic clays that started attracting inorganic molecules and started the first reproducing system?


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That is what I refer to as the first ring of life one of the first simple cells from organic molcules. The clay theory is not really well developed and do not perscribe to it. I think cells formed around carbon 40 molcules and limpeds, but thats pure conjecture on my part.
What I am working on is a model of how eukaryote cells formed into a complex autopoetic system, or the second ring of life, that occured during the cambrian explosion. I beleive I am breaking new ground and sometimes I have to create words and phases that fit a discription of this new information.
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That is what I refer to as the first ring of life one of the first simple cells from organic molcules. The clay theory is not really well developed and do not perscribe to it. I think cells formed around carbon 40 molcules and limpeds, but thats pure conjecture on my part.
It's surely nothing I've read about in all my personal investigations into the origin of life. Care to elaborate?


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