Evolution is Junk Science and Secular Religion

[CD27]

tormor,

yes, i have questioned my religion, many times actually. i always come up with the same conclusion, that it must be right. in fact, i even spent a few years trying to disprove my religion, before it was something that i lived by.

i can not see a universe being able to exist without a creator. for something be created, to even have a begining, it must have a creator. from that conlusion comes the question, "if god created everything, how was god created?" i have a theory on that as well, or a "hypothesis". here it is:

god created himself. just as the solution to everyhting else this religion. it is a complicated conclusion, and takes deep thought to understand fully. i will try to explain it. god is outside of time. god created time, so wouldn't it be logic thought that he can control it at his own will? if god went back through time, to his "beginning", he could create himself. in other words, god always existed. it is quite complicated.

the reason i belive my religion is "absolutely right" and can not be wrong, is because it tells me that. as i said before, i belive everything in teh bible is true to its word, and if it tells me it is the only true religion, then, yea, i belive that as well.

[Tim_Lou]

hmm...
CD27, whats the reason you believe in christians?
is it because it provides you strength in life? or have an experence involving with god? or?


anyway, asking "how was god created?" is similar to "how everything is created in the world"
these answers are unanswerable and unquestionable.

god and the "thing" where everything comes from doesnt exist, b4 them, there is no existence and such...
the way we think, is limited, so its just too abstract to even have an idea of what "they" are...since we are in this "real" world, and we think in a "real" way.

[TeleMad]

CD27: ... i belive everything in teh bible is true to its word ...

So you believe in the story of Noah's Ark...that it literally happened as described in the Bible?





So you believe the Earth is only about 6,000 years old?





What happened to those "righteous, God-fearing individuals" that died before Jesus was crucified? Did they go to heaven? Can you provide a quote to support whatever position you hold?





Can person be "saved" and then "lost"? Is there any self-contradiction about this in the Bible?

[CD27]

yes, i believe all of that about noah's ark, the earth being 6,00 years old, all of that. if you are saved, and then lost, then you were never saved in the first place. you may have thought you were, but if, in the very end, your name is not written in the book of life, then you were never saved. and the people who killed jesus, if they asked him for his forgiveness, and truely meant it, then yes, they could have went to heaven, provided they recieved jesus christ as their personal savior.

the reason i believe in god (not the christians) is because of a personal experience with god. and yes, it is personal, so don't ask.

[Uncle Martin]

CD27,
Your benevolent god will allow someone like Charles Manson to enter heaven, just for asking and believing? I'm a good person, I've never intentionally hurt anyone, I give to charities and even correct the cashier when she gives me too much change. So just because I question your "loving" god's existence I am damned for eternity in hell? Even if you could prove the existence of such a god, if it showed itself to all of us and spoke to us I could not "worship" such a petty and mean, even evil creature. You don't believe most of what I do and I would not wish you any harm. I guess that makes me more loving than your god, doesn't it?

[Freethinker]

Originally posted by: CD27
tormod, you are right, i should respect the fact that he even did reply to my post at all.

freethinker, now that i have taken tormor's advice, i can actually see what you mean by your posts.

Do you? Then why are you ignoring the questions I post?

You want people to listen to you blather away (you have been asked to make your posts more readable by putting some spaces in it.). But you have yet to stand behind anything you post when you are asked to. Perhaps you realize you have nothing behind your claims and hope that ignoring question will make them go away.

It only shows that you can not answer the questions.

So let me try again.

You claim the universe is approx 6,000 years old. Yet we have received light here that has been traveling for BILLIONS of light years. In fact we would not see the light of most of the stars if the universe was only 6,000 years old.

How do you explain this?

[Uncle Martin]

I would also like CD27 to explain why we see more than the 4 stars that his 6000 year old universe predicts. (I wonder if he'll ever get that?)

Well?

[Freethinker]

Now, hoping that CD27 will actually answer the question I posted, I will explore his post further.

Originally posted by: CD27
i admit, in alot of christian schools and churches the preacher's have a very abd understanding of christianity.

Here we go again. How come every Christian that comes here (and every other discussion I have ever had with one) wants to disallow every other Christian from being a REAL Christian. It has been my expereince that contrary to their wanting to claim that Christianity is a MAJORITY religion, there is actually only ONE Christian in the world. And that just happens to be the one that is talking to me right then. Because each one, each time, is letting me know why every other previous (and future) person that claims to be a Christian is WRONG!

YOUR understanding of Christianity is no better, no more accurate, than any one elses. To pretend to know otherwise is only to admit how selfrighteous and conceited you are. How your god has picked you over every one else that ever has or ever will live, to be THE ONE that gets to decide who is and who is not a Christian. That you have PERFECT KNOWLEDGE. (Recognize that one folks?)

So which is it? Are you the one personally picked out by your god to have PERFECT KNOWLEDGE? Or is it possible that people that you may not classify as Christians are in fact Christians?

I will stop here so that you do not miss this question. I await your response.

[Freethinker]

Originally posted by: CD27
you must notice though, we as christians believe that al of this is true,

Ya you guys will believe just about anything. You reject even the most elementary reasoning processes.

and that it is a narrow path. i belive the bible solely,

So there is no such thing as DNA? DNA is not mentioned in the bible. Thus you can not believe that it exists.

Well? Does DNA exist? Or do you only believe "solely" in the bible?

Again. One question per post so you don't miss any.

[Freethinker]

Originally posted by: CD27
but i do not even care about catholics, they contradict the bible every single day. and so do alot of ather protestant churches as well. i fortunately have a rather good churche. my preacher follows the bible greatly, and he is a very good man. an upstanding man in both religion and in society. he puts both together and yet is still able to live well in society and follow our god's laws just as greatly. there are many christians who say they are christians, then go home and lok up porn on their computers,

Like stories of daughters getting their father drunk and having sex with them? It's in the bible. Or men reaching under other men's clothes and grabbing... well... their private parts (graphic details are in the bible) Or taking women as war booty, using them as sex slaves, then getting rid of them, yep in the bible. Fathers giving their daughters out as whores, leaders with hundreds of sex slaves. All part of the (XXX rated) bible.

or go and smoke a cigarrett to release "stress". they go home and beat their wives

"For I do not allow a women to teach or to exercise authority over men; but she is to keep quiet" 1 Tim 2:13-15

and yell at their children.

Deuteronomy 21:18-21 If a man has a stubborn and rebellious son who does not obey his father and mother and will not listen to them when they discipline him, his father and mother shall take hold of him and bring him to the elders at the gate of his town. They shall say to the elders, "This son of ours is stubborn and rebellious. He will not obey us. He is a profligate and a drunkard." Then all the men of his town shall stone him to death. You must purge the evil from among you. All Israel will hear of it and be afraid.

they kill themselves. they kill others.

"But for these very enemies, who did not want me to be king over them, bring them here and slay them in my presence" Luke 19:27

those are not real christians. those are hypocrytes.

THEY are hypocrits? Why, THEY are following the bible.

my religion is what it is,

Yes and it is one of the worst things that has ever attacked human society.

i can see what the world has made of it, and what the bible has made of it.

The "world" only shows the reality of implementing the tenets of the bible. All the attrocities, the torture, the killing, it is all as instructed in the bible.

peopel tell me al the time, "christianity is so narrow, how do they ever have any fun? they're jsut robots for their 'god'" christians can have fun without lusting, without smoking, without hurting other people.

Awe, no one has fun unless they are killing something! And you actually seem to believe this also. Like I said, you Christians will believe anything.

long before STD's came out, the bible

STD's have been around longer than the bible has.

said not to have sex with more than one partner your entire life.

GE 19:4-8 A group of sexually depraved men demands that Lot turn over to them his two male visitors. Lot offers his two virgin daughters instead.
Numbers 31
17 Now kill all the boys. And kill every woman who has slept with a man, 18 but save for yourselves every girl who has never slept with a man.
DT 21:10-14 With the Lord's approval, the Israelites are allowed to kidnap "beautiful women" from the enemy camp to be their trial wives. If, after having sexual relations, a man has "no delight" in his wife, he can simply let her go.

GE 19:30-38 Lot's daughters have sexual intercourse with him while he is drunk and both become pregnant by their father.

GE 29:16-30