Evolution is Junk Science and Secular Religion

[Freethinker]

Originally posted by: CD27
it has been proven thruogh many years research that everyone has STD's, but until they have sex with more than one person the STD's they have are dormant. once you ahve sex with more than one person, they become active,

I hope this makes others of you very afraid. That absolute nonsense like this is being taught to our younger people. That they are being directly and intentionally lied to about things that can bring their very lives and the lives of others into mortal danger.

CD, this is absolute hog wash, plain and simple. And it is worse than WRONG, it is INTENTIONALLY MISLEADING and HARMFUL. DANGEROUSLY so. People get STD's every day without ANY sexual contact. And there are many people having lots of sexual contact with many people and they don't get STD's.

You are being LIED TO!

Someone cares more about THEIR ideology than they do YOUR LIFE!

[Freethinker]

Originally posted by: CD27
if you could, freethinker and tormor, please help me

We ARE trying to help you CD. You refuse to listen to the help being offered.

You lack a factual scientific understanding of how things work. Your "Theory" is not based on, or backed by, scientific fact or even scientific process.

Start by answering the questions we have asked of you. Getting the answers will help you get a grounding on what science is and what we know because of it. Once you have gained that knowledge, then try approaching your theory again and see how it fits.

[CD27]

uncle martin, i will not answer any of those type of questions, not to be rude, or not to hide anything from you at all, i simply do not want anymore arguments, i already know that you would simply argue back with the answers i give you, and you know you will as well, i am sorry.

freethinker, i will be the first to admit i can not answer the question you asked me about why we can see light that is "billions of years old", i simply don't know the answer quite yet. i will do research and try my best to find the answer for you. in fact, that is one of the major questions my science team is trying to answer. (yes, i have a science team).

freethinker, i never once said that i was the "only TRUE christian" i simply said that there are many christians who say they are christian and really are not. i myself know many christians who are real christians, but i also know many who are not. also, even if the idea of STD's that has been taught to me is wrong, i wil not take the risk of it's failiur to be right or wrong. better to be safe than sorry.

there are many things not mentioned in the bible. for example, "how" the universe was created. all god said in the bible was that he created it within 6 days and rested on the seventh. he came upon earth as a dark void, and said "let there be light" and there was. just because it does not say anything about DNA does not mean that it wasn't "how" god made our body's programs the way they are, to be who "we" are.

you also must remember that the days of the past are simply that. it is much different now-a-days. back then, stoning was their ways of punnishment, now it is a scolding and maybe a whiping, it works just as well, but yelling at your children and in turn making them angry as well, that only makes everyone angry, where does that get you? no where. showing your child where their mistake is, fist, be sure if the mistake will hurt them too bad or teach them a great lesson in life, let them amke the mistake, only if it will teach them a lesson, always protect your children, they are god's gift.

it is not your religion, it does not affect you in any way other than being aggrevated. it is my life to live, i choose my choices, nothinig you say or do about my religion will change my views of it.

thank you for the advice about helping me with my theory, but i must question, for it is my nature, of how questioning my religion is going tohelp at all is my thoery?

[Uncle Martin]

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Originally posted by: CD27
uncle martin, i will not answer any of those type of questions, not to be rude, or not to hide anything from you at all, i simply do not want anymore arguments, i already know that you would simply argue back with the answers i give you, and you know you will as well, i am sorry.

I think it is a fair and valid question, you are the one that brings your religion and god to this forum. Had you not, it would not have been subject to scrutiny. I'm sure alot of other members would like to read your reply. If you actually have any faith or knowledge in your own religion answering my question should not be difficult. It is not my intent to argue, I truly wish to learn.

[CD27]

martin,

ok, for the reason that you do not wish to argue but wish to learn, i can do that. i'll answer you questions.

first of all, yes, even manson could go to heaven, even the world's greatest serial killer could. but ONLY if they asked forgiveness and MEANT it with the bottom of their heart. no, by questioning my god does not "condemn" anyone to hell. i have had someone ask me before, "i have blasphelmed, am i condemned to hell?". my answer to them was, "no. you are not. you never blasphelmed. the reason i can tell you this is because you are still here. which means you still love god," (aside from the fact that she was worried if she'd go to hell or not) "if you did not love god, then you could care less if you were going to hell or not. it wouldn't matter to you. so you did not commit blasphelmy, you simply had a moment of "slide-back" where you questioned god's authority."

all of us do that, even the most strong christians, even myself. but god is a very forgiving god, and very rightous one as well.

my god is a loving god, but he does not spare the rod. when punnishment is due, it is given, to what ever degree god feels is appropriate, and god knows all of our limits. remember that all evil done in any of the past was not of god's origin. god is "unable" to commit any sin. it is the ONLY thing god hates. satan and man are the one's who do the evil. and god can not control self will, only try to lead the way. at one point, i belive it was when god was leading his armie back to jerusalem, he told them men to leave the gold for him, to not take any, but can take all the rest. does this mean that god was greedy?

no, it means that man was greedy and god was protecting them from it. how is god going to use gold? he doesn't need it. but if he was protecting someone from it, or simply giving the men of the armie a life test, he would do it. and of course, one stupid man took something. and then that armie began to lose to battles. before, they had not lost one.

the man who stole the gold from god was found and stoned to death. yes, a harsh punnishment, but a meaningful one in those days. god love's his people, but a crime done, must be punnished, if you ask for forgiveness, well, you're forgiven of what you've done (only if it is meant by the heart), but you must live with the consequeses you have already made.

i hope you did learn something, because i truly don't want any enemies in these forums. i simply wish to amke friends and be able to socialize between them.

[Tormod]

Folks, this thread is obviously very interesting BUT I would recommend making some of these topics into new threads. Or else please discuss the topic: Evolution as junk science.

Tormod

[CD27]

fair enough for me

[TeleMad]

CD27: yes, i believe all of that about noah's ark...

What about the earlier Babalonian (I believe) stories about Gilgamesh? There are many similarities. You don't think that they were the source of the Noah story?

CD27: [Yes, I believe ...] the earth being 6,00 years old...

So why is there so much evidence that it is billions of years old? Did God plant multiple misleading evidences?

CD27: if you are saved, and then lost, then you were never saved in the first place. you may have thought you were, but if, in the very end, your name is not written in the book of life, then you were never saved.

So no one can really know whether nor not he/she is saved? If salvation is the main point of God's plan, then why would he make it so that one couldn't know for sure whether he was saved or condemned to eternal damnation?



And one of my question went unanswerd...What happened to those "righteous, God-fearing individuals" that died before Jesus was crucified? Did they go to heaven? Can you provide a quote to support whatever position you hold?

[CD27]

so far, through my extensive studies in trying to find out how old the universe is, the only credible evidence that says it is not 6,00 years old is what freethinker said about light taking billions of years to travel here, which i am still researching.

unfortunately, i am not very good with quoting thebible, but i understand it well, old english just confuses the crap out of me, unless someone is sitting right there talking to me about it, and i'm ale to read back over it, only then will i understand old english. but yea, even the people who died before jesus could go to heaven. but they had to make many sacrafices. the usually sacrificed a sheep. an that was only because they were VERY important. today, if you were a very dedicated CD collector, for example, giving up one of your prized possetions that you could almost die for could be considered a sacrifice, but a sacrifice must also be meant with the heart completely, or you sacrificed something for nothing.

[CD27]

that is the last of those kinds of questions i will answer from now on, i respect tormor and i do not wish to disobey what he has asked us. let's please stick to the topic.