You've got more bacterial cells than human cells in you

[TeleMad]

Originally Posted by bumab

I'm pretty sure that the cellular structure of the GI tract is similar devlopmentally to the skin, but I'll have to look that up.

And what difference would that make?

[bumab]

It would lend credence to the traditional definition.

[TeleMad]

TeleMad: And? What is the contigency for the opposing position?

Bumad: There isn't one.

Oh really? Then please explain food in the GI tract is NOT inside the body?

TeleMad: An entire open pathway running from outside the body at one end to outside the body at the other end: from open mouth through open anus. Now, is that the common case? Nope.

Bumab: That's not part of the traditional definition, that's part of your definition.

No, it's part of the "definition" the person I responded to used. Take a look.

You've yet to explain how something inside our GI tract can legitimately be considered to NOT be inside our bodies.

The only reasonable way I can think of would be for it to not be fully enclosed: for their to be a direct route into or out of the body to it that doesn't have to pass through the body itself.

You've got a better "Definition"? Please tell us.

[TeleMad]

Originally Posted by bumab

It would lend credence to the traditional definition.

No it wouldn't.

[bumab]

Originally Posted by TeleMad

The only reasonable way I can think of would be for it to not be fully enclosed: for their to be a direct route into our out of the body that to it that doesn't have to pass through the body itself.

Simple, I use what was said earlier. It's not in the body if it doesn't have to pass through anything on it's way in or out. It's in the body if it has to pass through the body to go in or out.

But your understanding of that is what is wrong- the (undigested) food doesn't pass through the body on it's way in or out. Nutrients pass through the body when they are absorbed. Food that is not absorbed, or foriegn objects, do not pass through the body. They are enclosed by the body in the same way I can enclose a penny in my fist. That penny does not have to pass "through my body" to leave my fist, I just open my hand. Simple as that. Your use of the words "pass through" were incorrect.

[TeleMad]

Originally Posted by bumab

Just nitpicking

I agree, but in a different manner than the way I nitpick. I've emphasized the part that applies to your nitpicking.

"nitpicking: minute and usu. unjustified criticism".

[TeleMad]

Originally Posted by bumab

Simple, I use what was said earlier. It's not in the body if it doesn't have to pass through anything on it's way in or out. It's in the body if it has to pass through the body to go in or out.

And what the hell does that have to do with the similarity in cellular structure developmentally that you alluded to? Think you can form a coherent argument?

[bumab]

Originally Posted by TeleMad

I agree, but in a different manner than the way I nitpick. I've emphasized the part that applies to your nitpicking.

Interesting that you would take that personally...

Regardless- it's unjustified to to say that food passes through the body when it is eaten or defecated. Refer to my example of the penny in my hand.

[bumab]

Originally Posted by TeleMad

And what the hell does that have to do with the similarity in cellular structure developmentally that you alluded to? Think you can form a coherent argument?

Let's not get personal.

I dropped the cellular structure argument. It perhaps applies, but I conceeded to not include it in the argument, I perhaps should have said that explicitly.

Cohert arguments have been presented. Tell me how closing a penny in a fist, then opening it, is different from food passing into and out of the body. Both are voluntary muscle movements that open passages up. Neither move physcially "through" anything.

Ergo, food is not inside the body until it is absorbed.

[TeleMad]

Originally Posted by bumab

Food that is not absorbed, or foriegn objects, do not pass through the body.

Originally Posted by TeleMad

Yes they do. Food enters the body at the mouth, passes through the oral cavity, passes through the oropharynx, passes through the espohagus, passes through the stomach, passes through the small intestine, passes through the large intestine, and passes through the anus. Food passes through the body.

Now, show me a valid reference that shows my usage to be illegitimate, and that shows that only yours can be used.

PS: Some Google results.

"food passes through the esophagus" = 318 hits
"bolus passes through the esophagus" = 11 hits
"food passes through the stomach" = 526 hits
"chyme passes through the stomach" = 9 hits
"chyme passes through the intestine" = 3 hits
"chyme passes through the small intestine" = 4 hits
"feces pass through the large intestine" = 1 hit

And riddle me this Batman. When you start off outside the East end of a tunnel, and drive through the tunnel such that you end up outside the West end, have you not passed through the tunnel? Does one have to crash his way through the walls of the tunnel in order to say that he has driven through the tunnel? Nope.

Tube-like passageways - like a tunnel or a hallway - can be walked through, driven through, passed through, run through, and so on without having to physically break through the boundary that forms it. One can also simply move through the interior region of it, from one side to the other.