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Here's a great resource that will totally destroy all forms darwinism
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My only two thoughts after looking at that site was

1) why do you bother to post all these links? Most people around here are able to think for themselves and do not see science as a "battle" between different opinions

2) Any person or organisation proclaiming to have the "real truth", especially by mixing different faiths, should set all your alarm bells ringing, very loudly.

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You should read the e-books or watch the documentaries.
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there is no new evidence revealed in that book that has been proven beyond doubt and isolated cases whose circumstances are debatable at best (if not incorrect entirely), that has been disproven or explained by various theories of evolution. all points within it have alternate interpretations which are equally, if not more so, valid for a variety of reasons.


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What's your occupation?
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carpenter by trade... astronomer, philosopher, artist, friend, father, husband, scholar by passion.


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Web communications manager, myself - working for the Norwegian Space Centre. Ten years as a journalist and reporter for Internet and radio, as well as web development for 8 years (concurrently, mind).

And I am a musician (Classical guitar) and philologist (English Lit) by education, and also a father and reader of an annoyingly large number of popular science books in my "real" life.

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whats your specific arguments for the evidences on that website?
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whats your specific arguments for the evidences on that website?
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I cannot possibly list all my specific arguments "for" the evidence...it would rather be "against". It is a site crammed full of creationist ideas. Now, creationism is a very strange thing indeed. A good creationist refutes most things in science (even science itself) as long as it does not fit in with his or her world view. Yet he or she claims to use scientific methods to refute the "bad ideas".

Take, for example the image caption next to Darwin's image on one of the first pages in the "A refutation of Darwinism" book:

"Charles Darwin developed his theory when science was still in a primitive state. Under primitive microscopes like these, life appeared to have a very simple structure. This error formed the basis of Darwinism."

This is typical: by saying his tools were inaduequate, the author can argue that Darwin must have been wrong.

But the assumption is incorrect - science was at its heyday and had been so for a long time. Darwin lived AFTER an age of industrial revolution, long after Isaac Newton had formulated his laws on mechanism, and Galileo had seen the moons of Jupiter (and also after many of the natural elements like oxygen, hydrogen etc had been isolated).

So the instruments were rather good. But more importantly - modern thinkers had learned to observe, discuss, and formulate ideas which were then up for discussion in public.

But the strongest point is of course that evolution is not something you need a microscope to observe - it is readily observable in nature.

So, like so many creationist websites, I dislike the tone of "look here, they got it all wrong", which I think is a dumbing down of people's minds. They make hard-working, honest scientists look like fools who got it all wrong. Of course, scientists DO get it wrong (Remember "cold fusion"...) - and during research, they mostly get it wrong until they find out why it is wrong and can correct it (this is why there is a method to the madness).

But all science, and the results of it, is open for debate - because, as we have discussed before, no theory is ever final. Darwinism has its opponents, even within zoology and biology. That does not mean it is "right" or "wrong". But evolution is much more than Darwin. Why not consider reading up on Darwinism and evolutionary theory instead of blindly buying the ideas of others? That is far better than listening to preachers of "anti-anything" who bring you a list of facts that "don't match biblical though" and which are impossible because "they don't have room for the Creator".

That is the only way to decide for yourself what you think.

Here is just one book at Amazon.com - if you click this link you will also find related books:

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also remember that Darwinism is an old theory in itself, and is but one of many theories that deal with the processes of evolution. Darwin was one of a few scientists who have laid the ground work for an ever ongoing road of discovery and that the various theories are constantly being refined to account for observations of living organisms and fossil records and the environments and climates in which they live/ed.
also, if you've read the bible, you will note that the description of the origins of the universe and all that dwell within it only takes up a few pages in the very first book and only a few passages in others. these desriptions are very vague at best... unless you have a thorough knowledge of the bible and a good understanding of it and how to interpret the passages within, almost any assumption could be made as to the exact meanings of the passages. however, if you do have a good understanding of them and a good understanding of the present theories of evolution and cosmology (FAR more detailed descriptions of the origins of all than the bible ever gives), you will find that they are NOT at odds... rather, they are in complete agreement with each other. and so... it is a rather bad idea to try to seperate the two schools of thought based on their different levels of detail in descriptions. instead, it would be far wiser to learn to understand where the similarities are and that the one could only reinforce the other and vice versa to give us all a better understanding of where we came from and our place in time and the universe.

here is a wise saying that I think will help to guide you through this and through life in general as well...
"The real voyage of discovery consists not in seeking new landscapes, but in having new eyes." Marcel Proust


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