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Fossil find confirms Kauffman and Progogine self organization.

Fossil find confirms Kauffman and Progogine self organization.


I believe I have discovered a self organizing principle in the form of a fossil artifact. After I had extrapolated the dynamic occurring in and around this unique artifact, I then found this represented a missing piece of information needed to explain the sudden appearance of complex morphology during the Cambrian explosion.
This artifact was showing a process that seemed to act as a “tie switch” for the sum total of living elements and dynamics of the environment.
This electrical engineering term “tie switch” was the only word at had at time.
This type science was fairly new to me, and at the time had no language to describe it, although This connector of things seemed strangely familiar and somehow fit as part of nature.
As my research progressed I found that this was something that was indeed predicted by many scientist. One being Stuart Kauffmans Auto catalytic sets , The origin Ilva Prigogine
Auto-poesies and dissipative structures.
Along with Rene Thom’s Catastrophe theory just to name a few, and I also found the proper name for this dynamic as an “ attractor ” This not only tied these soon to be great scientist work together but enabled me to see further into these self-organizing principles than the present text was offering.



I believe my work on these two models, one dealing with the initial self-organization principles of the “ Vesica Attractor ” and then the subsequent evolutionary model of “Archetypal Descent,” has the potential to tie together many separate models and concepts into a functional cohesive whole.

After all, this is precisely the function of this type of information.

Christopher
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"Imagine a mountain stream. It is a dynamic system because it only exists while energy flows through it, in this case the water’s kinetic energy. Sometimes the stream forms a whirlpool and sometimes it takes the serpentine form (the latter is seen most clearly in an aerial photograph of a river delta). Each of these forms represents a pre-existing mathematical principle or possibility, characteristic of rivers and streams everywhere. A whirlpool is not caused by the bed of the stream because it may also form in the ocean or in the atmosphere. Even the stars of a galaxy sometimes form a whirlpool (Hildebrandt & Tromba 1996, pp. 12-13, 246). A stream organizes itself but the ways it can do so are constrained: only certain pre-determined forms are possible.
The whirlpool is robust or homoeostatic. It is called a stable attractor (Kauffman 1995, p. 187) because it is a stable form into which a dynamic system is attracted. Imagine a whirlpool around the drain in your tub. Interrupt the whirlpool by putting your hand in it and the water continues to drain, but not as a whirlpool. Remove your hand and the whirlpool reforms. Besides the whirlpool and the serpentine form, there are many other forms that a stream could assume but most of them are unstable. Whatever form the stream is placed into, it slides spontaneously into one of its few stable attractors and remains there."
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Precursor Cells Follow Different Paths to Same
Cell Fate


Complex Behavior
"With so many genes turning on and off inside the developing cell, the potential for instability is great. In the 1960s, the theoretical biologist Stuart Kaufmann proposed that if a cell were to hit upon an arrangement in which every element affected what the others were doing, much in the manner of a feedback system, that cell would better resist perturbation. In fact, evolution appears to have selected for just such a system—genes and proteins often inhibit or activate one another. The collective behavior of this network creates a system that is so stable and self-correcting that it exerts an almost gravitational pull—the developing cell is compelled toward its fate, for instance, to become a liver cell. Kaufmann called these stable networks “attractors,” a term he borrowed from physics. But evidence for the existence of attractors was lacking .

In one respect, it is easy to see why. In Kaufmann’s view, a cell hits upon a stable genetic configuration and develops into a particular cell type. But demonstrating that the entire network functions as an attractor, pulling the cell down a particular developmental path, is problematic. One could argue, as molecular biologists have, that the network is simply the consequence of individual signaling pathways instructing the cell to develop in a particular direction. There is another approach. According to Kaufmann, attractors are very robust—they cast a wide net. Two developing cells might initially exhibit wildly differing constellations of gene activity and yet they could eventually be caught up by the same stable configuration, or attractor, and become the same kind of cell. That is what Huang and his colleagues have shown."


“Our view is that a cell’s differentiation state is there as a pre-existing program, an attractor, and all you need is to tip over into it,” said Sui Huang. “You do not need very specific instructional inputs.” —Misia Landau
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Systems theory or systems science argues that however complex or diverse the world that we experience, we will always find different types of organization in it, and such organization can be described by principles which are independent from the specific domain at which we are looking. Hence, if we would uncover those general laws, we would be able to analyze and solve problems in any domain, pertaining to any type of system. (Principia Cybernetica)
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Systems science is a way for us to understand life as a system of cooperative networks. This is an extremely important field of study, and is being applied currently to many problems.





What my discovery shows is how nature forms these cooperative relationships on the cellular level.


As I was discovering this process, I realized this spontaneous jump to a higher ordered state has been happening though all the stages of order from the big bang on. One system emerging from within another.
Christopher
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This is a quote from Catastrophe Theory,

Semantic Models
In section 13.8 of Structural Stability and Morphogenesis, René Thom proposes the following definitions and their implications.
Every object, or physical form, can be represented as an attractor of a dynamical system on a space of internal variables.
Such an object is stable, and so can be recognized, only when the corresponding attractor is structurally stable.
All creation or destruction of forms, or morphogenesis, can be described by the disappearance of the attractors representing the initial forms, and their replacement (by capture) by the attractors representing the final forms. This process, called catastrophe, can be described on a space of external variables.
Every structurally stable morphological process is described by a structurally stable catastrophe, or a system of structurally stable catastrophes, on the space of external variables.
Every natural process decomposes into structurally stable islands, the chreods. The set of chreods and the multidimensional syntax controlling their positions constitute the semantic model.

When the chreod is considered as a word of this multidimensional language, the meaning (signification) of this word is precisely that of the global topology of the associated attractor (or attractors) and of the catastrophes that it (or they) undergo. In particular, the signification of a given attractor is defined by the geometry of its domain of existence on the space of external variables and the topology of the regulation catastrophes bounding that domain.
One result of this is that the signification of a form (chreod) manifests itself only by the catastrophes that create or destroy it. This gives the axiom dear to the formal linguists: that the meaning of a word is nothing more than the use of the word; this is also the axiom of the "bootstrap" physicists, according to whom a particle is completely defined by the set of interactions in which it participates.” quote
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Simply put, he is stating that nature creates these points of order [chreods] in the same fundamental way we create langage to compress information at large!
It such a ubiquitous process we use in language, math and communication technology we forget nature invented this process first by creating cells .

I see this process as a collapse of information into a point, as the system at large reaches a threshold of complexity.
This point is then kept stable by its surrounding parent matrix.


Once these systems become self-replicating as in biological systems it can continue drawing additional information from these outer matrices.
This is the purpose of why living systems behave in this way. This instability enables the system to collect information in mathematical process {Algorithmic iteration} therefore the system builds more and more internal complexity , patterned after its surrounding matrices, or Environment.

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Re: Fossil find confirms Kauffman and Progogine self organization.

Can you please clean up your post - this appears to be cut-and-pasted from somewhere else an I am not sure what are your actual statements and what are quotes from others.


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Re: Fossil find confirms Kauffman and Progogine self organization.

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First of all, what is the fossil? Is what is referred latent cellular characteristics left over from the original biological cellular formation and organizational principles cum 3 billion years BCE? Or did I misunderstand this completely?

Second of all, could you please explain(simplify for a schmuck[me]) the connectivity of what I read as a confused presentation of chaos theory applied to biological stochasticism at the cellular level?


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Re: Fossil find confirms Kauffman and Progogine self organization.

The first 90% of the history of life on earth is written by single celled organisms, suddenly 530 million years ago multi-celled life appeared.

What I am stating is that complex life forms emerged though an attractor, a dynamical mathematical process that bonded these cells into complex animals.

This process can now be described though past theoretical models dealing with chaos theory and further understood as an actual mechanism.

The reason this is important is because attractors and self-organizational models based on chaos have up until now been only metaphysical.
This fossil represents a mechanistic model of a process in mid-construction, and moreover expands our understanding beyond the current text on attractors and chaos.

In other words it shows the “nuts and bolts” of the process.
And has enabled me to produce new metaphysical models that are filling in the gaps in neo-Darwinian models. { Archetypal Descent }

http://www.iscid.org/boards/ubb-get_...-t-000007.html

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Re: Fossil find confirms Kauffman and Progogine self organization.

Christopher, what of the first post is actually your words? It seems like you posted something extremely similar here and here. If you could, please go through and surround the parts of the post which are not your own words with [*quote] and [*/quote] tags (without the stars).


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Re: Fossil find confirms Kauffman and Progogine self organization.

These fratually embedded systems forge new systems internally by compressing information in a certain way.

This way is what can be observed in this artifact. At the time I was unaware of any need for additional theories concerning evolution. I had a good grasp of the Darwinian models and saw it as a cohesive whole.
This fossil changed all that, now I see that nature builds complexity over time in one layer and then collapses these systems at large into a point. These points representing a fractal of the larger one it is embedded in.


This "vesica attractor" shows that biological systems arose in the same fundamental way as the elemental and cosmological phases prior to the emergence of life.

This has been theorized in attractor models, and is currently being applied to the interacting genetic components in biological systems, reflecting changes in morphology over time, and has been theorized that these components could have been originally unified in a self-organizing process, but………. this is the first time an actual physical artifact represents how these process originated.

In other words, this could represent a Rosetta stone of life.


This structure starts out simply enough as a mass of oolite spheres bound by cyanobacterial filaments and eukaryote cells, into a torus or bagel shaped mass.

This mass is rolled together by wave dynamics and comes to rest.


Now here is were it gets complicated, especially if your not familiar with chaos. The following is how this chaotic mass creates a higher ordered state. remember the spheres dissipate during this process leaving behind a geometrically connected structure of cells.


This can simply be understood as a process in which nature compresses information at large into a point.

Molecular and morphological mechanisms achieve a sudden self ordering in this dissipative structure, wherein environmental information is suddenly bound to a hierarchal internal system. From overall symmetry, to genetic level potentials.

This system forms as non-linear assemblage point from a fluid dissipative tours structure, though a geometric crystallization stage, to genomic algorithmic self-assembly stage. This process is powered by two connecting levels of flow, one of wave dynamics redirected into the structure by its shape, and one of chemical flow on the molecular level, [by the dissolving oolites in the microbial substrate.] These two flow patterns connect, and in doing so self-organize the physical components around this flow.[ see dissipative structure] [live rock, aragonite\ strontium]
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This fossil form contains a matrix of environmental components consisting of oolites, cyanobactia and what appears to be a colonization of eukaryotes geometrically dispersed throughout the structure.{ this eukaryote micro-fossils structure needs to confirmed with a laboratory analysis} the cyanobacterail structure is confirmed. This structure has also recorded the dynamical aspect of its environment. the oolites can only form in certain tidal conditions of shallow sea with long wave pulses the overall form{of oolites an cyanobateria filaments} also are consistent with this pattern of flow. It is the size and shape of a large ostrich egg with a flat underside. Probably larger originally} the pattering of construction is spiraled with two right and left apertures shaped in such a way as to redirect the flow of sea water into the structure. And then though the layers.

Now I can continue in this description step by step until it creates a cohesive eukaryote system in the form any complex heart based creature but, I am going to skip over to one particular step. It has to do with the oolite. These spheres are the main component of this self construction process they act as a fluid scaffolding allowing channels to form like a dynamic cellular automata. As they dissolve in the microbial substrate ,they will construct in these points in space flexible geodesic scaffolding {see extra cellular matrix} on the microscopic level this is what I am referring to as a {descending order of iteration matrices that self organize the cellular structure} and produce an outer shell in the prosses.{Shelled animals produce shells from this oolitic mineral aragonite} Not all will form shells though, but I can reduce all these shell structures to their origins to this Vesica attractor, and also fish, cephalopods and any of the structures that can be reduced to a torus a doughnut shape. This is a connect the dots process and this is just the tip of the iceberg, remember what these attractors do. They organize information. Also keep in mind these original points of organizations remain as a fixed feature for the phyla.


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http://www.iscid.org/boards/ubb-get_...-t-000007.html

Is that you?

A few questions;

How do you explain this in your presentation? Saying that environmental pressures will reinforce structural organizational principles that favor bilateral tubular symmetry and multicellular specialization in biological systems and then invoking the vesica tractor as a primary mechanism?

http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/punc-eq.html

Furthermore what is profoundly new in what you've discovered? That oolites are left behind as evidence of animal planoform formation?

http://www.esp.org/books/chambers/ve...-chap-08-i.pdf

Your timescales are off, and what about plants?


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http://www.iscid.org/boards/ubb-get_topic-f-26-t-000007.html

Is that you?

A few questions;

How do you explain this in your presentation? Saying that environmental pressures will reinforce structural organizational principles that favor bilateral tubular symmetry and multicellular specialization in biological systems and then invoking the vesica tractor as a primary mechanism?

http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/punc-eq.html

Furthermore what is profoundly new in what you've discovered? That oolites are left behind as evidence of animal planoform formation?

http://www.esp.org/books/chambers/vestiges/facsimile/contents/chambers-vestiges-chap-08-i.pdf

Your timescales are off, and what about plants?



The Second Ring of Life; The Vesica Attractor
by Christopher Humphrey

Abstract

The fossil record shows a disparity in the formation of complex body plans.
The individual eukaryote cannot build these structures. They do not carry within themselves a blue print for an overall structure. Science today is attempting to answer these questions via genomic constraints.

Recently discovered fossil evidence has led this author to develop a new evolutionary model that suggest the following;The missing information in the original body design was provided by a wave function acting on a mass of oolitic spheres bound by a microbial substrate.
This substrate crystallized into an archetypal pattern, the first complex animal life. [source of a body plan pattern] that then spawn an entire phyla.
This central archetype then becomes a sustained, central information bank for the phyla.
Releasing new genetic information in pulses over time.
This model not only accounts for the original forms, but also genetic control patterns of punctuated equilibrium. This is what the new evidence is showing in the context of the fossil record.



The Mystery of the Cambrian


Just prior to the Cambrian explosion, the sea contained a few multi-celled organisms, worms, sponges, and an assortment of single celled protozoan, but mostly filaments of blue green algae called cyanobacteria. Suddenly, 530 million years ago, something triggered an explosion of complex life. These original basic forms are the first and largest classification of animals called the phyla. Phyla include fish, snails, trilobites, crustaceans, ect. Two things that they have in common is they are very complex and they appeared at approximately the same time in the fossil record, seemingly without a history of development. This fact has puzzled evolutionary biologists since Darwin. This great scientist was aware of the problem, but assumed further fossil discoveries would fill in the gaps. However, to this day no precursors to these creatures can be found, infact, recently discovered fossil beds in China have pushed back the emergence of highly evolved fish to the first spark of the explosion.
Current genome research has suggested the phyla arose separately, simultaneously and abruptly, from a common "primordial pond" of genetics. (Senapathy) (Independent Birth of Organisms, Genome Press, 1994).
It has been postulated by (Behe) (Darwin’s black box) that the biological systems of these creatures could not have evolved from simpler origins. They would had to have been pre-designed and constructed all at once like a watch. He calls this " Intelligent Design" and has gained some support even though it smacks of creationism, which has its roots in a theological view. In hindsight, irreducibility is on the right track as far as a logistical approach, but still falls short on locating a blueprint.

Ironically, the reaction to all this, by some of the neo-Darwinist, has been to take a dogmatic position, defending the text that states the phyla arose in a step-by-step process, and that the fossil record completely supports it, which isn't really true, but who can blame them for defending that position as no new model can explain the gap, and it is currently the consensus view.
At the calm periphery of controversy we have the newest theoretical approach. These physics, biologists, and mathematicians deal in a systematic view of the world as patterns of relationships, rather than the traditional approach of reductionism. This type of ''systems view'' sees the world as patterns that contain information which can be utilized to see more patterns in a framework of connections that can be used as models. This type of science to me, represents an advanced perspective. A paradigm based not in the old hunter gatherer mentality, but on the predilection to see the universe as a network of cooperative functions, rather than unrelated parts to be collected and dispatched into categories.

One of these advanced perspective, "autopoeises" developed by (Mantarana; Varela,) States that an organism can be defined as a cycle of relationships unified into a circle of self creation, that contains component parts, which make parts, that in turn make those parts, in a recursive cycle of self-making. This unified system can simply be visualized as a ring.
In the pre-Cambrian Sea, these "rings", cells floated about dividing, some formed symbiotic bonds with other cells, and eventually merged into cells of more complexity. These cells we call eukaryote. They are the cells that make up the complex animals that are about to suddenly and mysteriously appear in the Cambrian.
So now we can ask, how did these eukaryote form into these complex circular systems so suddenly? What was the unifying force that brought the separate rings together into one? "One ring to rule them all."
The answer came to me in the form of a Rosetta stone of the Cambrian era. This artifact told the story of how many came together as one, and in so doing, created a new world. This stone is in the form of a ring itself, and written on this one ring is the most ancient of languages, geometry. This sacred music of the universe tells a story of self-making, whispered in the sea by many, and brought together into one rhythmic pulse.

The Sea of Self-Making

Another theory from the top systems biologist of our time (Kauffman)( Origins of order) states that once a system reaches a threshold of complexity it can, under the right conditions, spontaneously form into a higher organizational state. He calls this "Order for free." The following process will attempt to show how life forms can emerge all at once, into rings of higher order, from a point of spontaneous organization.
This point being an attractor that starts by recapitulating pre-existing organizational phases of its environment, These "vesica attractors" begin as a points of instability between the microcosm and the macrocosm. This instability manifesting initially into concentrically formed mineral spheres called oolites. These spheres are connected by filaments of cyanobacteria that form a fabric. This fabric is then rolled together into a concentric wheel or bagel configuration that contains an enfolded pattern that represents the ebb and flow of waves and tides. This embryonic form emerging as a self-constructed, self-contained micro-environment in a stunningly short period of time.
The phases of development for the original body plans start with the simple attractor moving in smooth transitional phases from the point attractor, forming mineral spheres. The cycle attractor, cyanobacterial filaments that bind and order the spheres into a contained recursive structure. The torus attractor that opens a central aperture and connects the internal environment with external dynamics (cyclical flow of waves and tides) and then finally the self reflexive, "vesica attractor" that becomes fertilized by a eukaryote cell that enters though the central "vesica aperture" in this phase the complex cells adopt the energetic pattern built by the oolites and cyanobacterial filaments. This scenario also representing a recurring theme of evolution. The mineral kingdom preparing the environment for the simple photosynthetic cell, that intern prepares the environment for the more complex animal cell. If these phases are completed successfully, a unification results between the microcosm and the macrocosm. This dynamic link represented by the emergence of an animal of complex form.

"The vesica is the interlocking of two realms--an overlapping where two worlds merge and exchange force fields."(Gail Thomas, Ph.D)

These attractors seem to form as connecting points between two converging evolutionary arcs that overlap and spiral together to complete a circuit. These points constructing a contained biological system patterned after forces below and above, and can account for almost all the body plans that emerged during the Cambrian. Morphological disparity can be simply be traced to variances in perturbations in the separately emerging attractors.
The levels of organizations in non-biological realms that precede the emergence of life, begin as points that spiral inward. These basins form into attractors that bring order out of chaos, although the order may have existed as pre-existing probabilities, that curled up into basins where energetic thresholds are reached, or more precisely focuses pre-existing order at large into a nexus point. These nexus points form everything from black holes, stars, galaxies, to planets that make up the macro-universe. This spin is also the underlying dynamic that sustains the micro-universe of elemental particles.
What I see as a fundamental difference in the vesica attractor is in its spiraling form, it is not like any other attractor that proceeded it, in that its construction is not simply a spiral that spins in the same direction, but is formed by turning back on itself in a cycle of recursion. This recursive cycle having been patterned after the ebb and flow of tide and wave pulses. This cycle recorded in concentric layers of enfolded oolitic spheres connected by filaments of cyanobacteria.




Once the form reaches a critical mass it becomes stationary and is reformed into an egg shaped vessel. The wave pulse then becomes internalized bringing the inner clockwork pattern into a dynamic synchronicity with the macro-environment at large. These layers form a symmetrical pattern of embedded concentric channels that unite at a central basin. Seawater is directed into right and left apertures that have opened into logarithmic spirals. This energetic form being shaped by the balance between internal structure and external flow. This recursive logarithmic structure appears to be the key in the self-reflexive nature of a biological system.



Another key in the self-making ability of the embryonic material that forms the vesica attractor is in it's ability to shape-shift around the tendency of a fluid to seek an ordered path though and around a medium. This medium having a fine balance of cohesion and plasticity.
The next key is in the mineral content of the spheres. Aragonite, this form of calcium carbonate has properties that promote microbial growth and acts as a mineral substrate for initiating an autopoetic biochemical cycle. This mineral has been discovered to be a fundamental element in maintaining an autopoetic system in coral reefs and closed artificial systems such as salt water aquariums.
Another important roll of the oolites is in their ability to act as a dynamic scaffolding. As the aragonite spheres dissolve though chemical and mechanical forces, a synergy unfolds throughout the emerging structure, As the oolites shrink they become point attractors among the eukaryote cells, that have now adopted the fluid energetic pattern left by the cyanobacteria filaments. As the oolites lose mass they induce the production of new filaments that emerge from the outer cellular membranes of the eukaryotes. Anchoring proteins extend through the plasma membrane to link to the emerging cytoskeleton structure. Simply put, as the temporary oolitic scaffolding deconstructs, it constructs it's permanent replacement. These Anchoring-type junctions not only hold cells together but provide tissues with structural cohesion. These junctions are produced more abundantly in tissues that are subject to higher mechanical stress such as the outer skin and heart. Connective tissues begin forming flexible geodesic scaffolding by drawing in and connecting to points in space where the oolites have now vacated. These connecting points form the extracellular matrix, meanwhile the vesica apertures acts as a cycle attractor spiraling inward keeping a central tension as the embryo loses mass and takes shape, simultaneously providing a flow of renewing sea water though the recursive system as it pulses in time with wave cycles. The central apertures begins to coil in slack in the form of a layered network of connected cells. This dense mass of wound together cells will form heart tissue. This tension that connects eukaryote cells in a medium of cohesion is called (tensegrity). Tensegrity results in a crystallization of connections in the architecture of the emerging organism, enabling the individual cell though it's own intracellular matrix to respond to a potential fitness space. This crystallization of the recursive dynamic structure might well result in an "algorithmic self-assembly" of genetic probabilities.
Developing layers of the body plan are connected from heart, shell, exo-skeleton or notochord, down to the strands of DNA in the cells nucleus by this network of filaments, thus tuning the cells information bank to circuits of communication though the internal structure, then out to the universe at large. A current of information begins to flow between the micro-cellular universe below to a cognitive landscape of the macro-universe above. "Cogito ergo sum"
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"I will postulate that complex algae formed as a result of an unfertilized vesica attractor."


All the complex phyla arrived about the same time in the cambrian.
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