Why the pain?

[MagnetMan]

All too true. I have a young son at work busting his butt lifting too much weight. I am going to get him to read your post.

[Racoon]

Originally Posted by MagnetMan

All too true. I have a young son at work busting his butt lifting too much weight. I am going to get him to read your post.

Experience teaches you many things MM.
Better to learn too from other peoples mistakes...
Good for your son; It shows the kid has heart.(and he's self-motivated)
But,
Oftentimes Less is More! Especially with weights...
Plus, its an Ego thing, wanting to Jack-Up a lot of weight!

My Power lifting buddies are Strong, but they all got shoulder/back/knee problems.
I don't really see the Functionality of Benching 450 pounds or Squating 700.
I do really see the joint problems associated...
I've stayed pretty much Injury free by using good form, and reasonable weight poundages.

heres two pieces of good advice I got early on:
"If you want to be great, you have to Learn to Like the Pain"
&
"Settle down kid! You're going to live longer than you realize"

[MagnetMan]

This whole thread on pain, having gone somewhay philosophical in places, would not be complete it it did not include the original pain of Eve.

With eight kids of my own via three separate mothers, and a daughetr with my grandson, I have some observational experience in this department.

Most modern births are experienced via drugs or cesarean section. Drugs divorce the mother from the infant right from the start. In fact the doctor gives birth, with very little help from her. Some of these births drag on for forty hours and more. I witnessed one of them and it was absolute hell. The epidural line in her spine got snagged, the contractions went on and on with no result. Eventually, 36 hours later, tongs had to be used tro drag the baby out. Next time, my wife had it naturally. It was all over in four hours. I have noticed that drugging seriously affects subsequent bonding between mother and infant. The connection is far more affectionate when the mother takes it on the chin.

I managed to convince my daughter to give birth naturally and she allowed me to document it on a video camera. In front of my eyes I watched a sixteen year old girl/child struggle with her fear, get a grip on herself, and in eight hours, go from an unresolved teenager into a fully focused adult. Her subsequent bonding and mothering of her child has been impeccable.

In prehsitoric times boys got their initiation in pain in the circumcision lodge. Learning to face it without flinching, awoke the warrior in them and gave them the courage to face the lion with only a spear.
Women got their initiation in birth.

Why the pain?
Pain instills courage and character in the human psyche.

[Racoon]

Originally Posted by MagnetMan

Why the pain?
Pain instills courage and character in the human psyche.

Agreed!
(as you know, I was only making a distinction between the Injurious variety of pain)
It seems our American culture is phobic of pain, and entirely Over-medicated.

Humans seek comfort.
The human psyche and its actions can be broken down to Two simple factors
> Pain avoidance
> Pleasure
Its about as simple as I can break down the Psychology of humans.

Drugs are all about pain avoidance: whether Drugs and Alcohol to avoid emotional and/or physical pain, to a Hospital/Doctors setting where medications and drips are administered.
There ARE a some exceptions when Pain Should be medicated. One being War, when serious injury requires Morphine to prevent Shock

Pain strengthens the Spirit. Pain toughens the resolve!
BUT IT HURTS!!!
Learn to like it...

This thread has been thrown way off, from the original "I'm really sore after working out" into a Meta-physical discussion...

[MagnetMan]

After my last post I thought that I had nothing more to add to this Ode to Pain. But i do have one final observation to make - concerning self birthing.
I told you how my daughter was initated into adulthood by birthing her baby herself, without leaning on the crutch of drugs. But the fact is that there was one final crutch she knew she could lean on. If she failed to birth the baby for any reason, and it got stuck, the whole lodge of scuience stood ready to back her up and deal with the emergency. That thought not only reinforced my profound respect for science, but also made me think of all our ancestral mothers, down through the ages, who never had that reassurance - and I found a lump rise in my throat.

Countless women died in labor in the past. Every girl knew that. So in every birth, they were forced to stare death in the face. None ever bragged about what they went through and no medal was pinned on their chest. But I say to each man - we are all the sons of heroines!

[infamous]

Originally Posted by Pret

_____Why do i have a nerve cracking pain for the first couple of days when i work-out(heavy duty exercises) and after which even if i work with more weight i don't get any pain(and even if it does, doesn't last long)???

Have you heard the phrase, 'No pain, no gain'. I suspect the answer to your question is The Gain ..............Infy

[niin]

Originally Posted by Pret

Why do i have a nerve cracking pain for the first couple of days when i work-out(heavy duty exercises) and after which even if i work with more weight i don't get any pain(and even if it does, doesn't last long)???

Physiological pain is a signal sent by nerve pathways. The signal indicate tissue damage of some kind.

The reason for pain are:
1) To know you are damaged.
2) To help the bodys repair system (healing).

Work-out can damage the muscles, when they are not strong enough. This cause pain.
When the muscles get strong enough, they will not be damaged anymore and you don't feel pain

[ronthepon]

Perhaps you could mention about the lactic acid formation due to anaerobic respiration performed in muscles due to low oxygen presence. This lactic acid causes cramps.

I'd suppose the pain going away later be because the muscles become more efficient oxygen users.

[somasimple]

Hi all,

Pain no. Response of the body telling you something is Wrong!

Not sure. Pain is a brain response. It is not a sensation/feeling.

[Nootropic]

It's really difficult to classify pain with various different types. The type of pain associated after vigorous exercise is really because of soreness, but the type of pain one experiences from blunt trauma (a kick to the head) is different, but in both situations, there is what can be described as "pain."

Originally Posted by somasimple

Hi all,



Not sure. Pain is a brain response. It is not a sensation/feeling.

Not quite. Pain comes from the nerves that send an electric impulse to the brain. I had ACL surgery with a patellar tendon graft and they actually had to cut through a nerve to remove the graft for my ACL which left me with a small area of numbness by the incision (since it was only a superficial nerve). Not quite just the brain because otherwise I'd still have feeling in that part of my knee.