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Originally posted by: LeeCollins
The definition of Natural Selection begins: "a natural process that results in... "
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Yes and in review it is a poor definition. I have always been told that a def should not use the word itself. You'd think WWWebster would know better!
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This only describes the result - the result is recognized only after the selection has been made. This give NO insight into WHO (or if you like what) is making the selection.
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But here you miss the very well established answer, the WHO or WHAT is NATURE. As in:
NATURAL Selection.
I fail to see any confusion here.
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As your example states YOU can select and an ANT can select (even something that seems chaotic and random). However, a rock can not.
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Yes the rock can. The rock will "select" the path of "least resistance" to it achieving stasis.
Select -
" to choose (as by fitness or excellence) ".
As gravity is the force acting on it, it will "choose" which ever path provides the greatest realization of the gravitational pull.
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More to the point is:
With the peppered-moths: Unless color change was purely random,
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The color choices are not nor will they ever be
"purely random". The colors available will be limited by genetics and laws of physics. There will be colors and patterns that will not be part of the set of those available to the moth species.
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the decision was made that is was better for the offspring to change color.
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No such decision was ever made. I can just imagine mama and papa moth sitting down and looking thru a book of colors and patterns like choosing a sofa. "I like Muave" says mama, "let's have a gun metal gray son" says papa.
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Who made this descision?? Who said that it was NOT better for the peppered moths to die off ?
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Who decided there should be discussions between peppered moth parents in the first place?
You seem to have a long way to go to understand how Evolution works. This is not surprising. The general population has little factual knowledge about most of Science, even something as basic and simple as Evolution.
Yes peppered moths DO die off. Every single one of them that has ever been born or will ever be born has or will die off. It is a matter of how fast. Some won't make it to a caterpillar stage. Others not past chrysalis. Some will emerge from the chrysalis to become adult moths. Any of these that do not make it not only this far, but even further, to procreation, will not pass ANY genes on. Any mutations off any of these failures will not become part of the future gene pool.
Only those that had sufficient genetic strength to survive to that point (procreation) will be able to pass genes into the future gene pool. If a moth while emerging from the chrysalis is too visible against it's environment, it is more likely to become food for some other creature before it can reproduce. So those with the best ability to blend into the environment will survive the longest and therefore have the most progeny. Thus their genes, the ones with thier best camouflage coloring most prominent will proliferate while those with less advantageous coloring genes will help feed other species rather than procreate.
Natural selection.
If the environment changes, say it gets "dirtier", more gray, less colorful. Then the offsprings that have a tendency to less color will have a better chance of survival till procreation. Thus their genetics will be passed along more and with each generation the numbers of most appropriately colored moths will exist.
No one wrote this down in a Moth Primer and held classes for the caterpillars or emergent moths so they could DECIDE which color to make their offsprings.
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