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Originally Posted by BlameTheEx
Linda
Linda
My apologies.
Ok. I will address the topic you wish for, although I am puzzled as to how the topic got to Original Sin. I thought it was about Creation
To the best of my knowledge Jesus never preached a doctrine of Original Sin. He certainly believe in sin, and redemption, but I can't recall anywhere in the Bible where he claimed people were born with sin. Frankly it would seem quite out of character. Nor for that matter do I know of such a claim in Paul's writings. The Original Sin was, I think, Adam eating the apple. A nice bit of Jewish mythology, but Jesus was out to create his own religion. Did ether Jesus or Paul make any reference to Adam at all?
Now, It has been about 40 years since I was forced to study the Bible, and frankly it was rather long to remember it all, so no doubt I am wrong. Still, as you have made the claim, you must have the evidence to hand. Perhaps you could post it?
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Well, you are correct that the gospels do not explicity contain a bunch of quotes from Jesus preaching about Original Sin.
BUT.... it IS the entire reason WHY He came and died and rose again in the first place.
Where did Jesus claim he came from?
They said, “Is this not Jesus, the son of Joseph, whose father and mother we know? How can he now say, ‘I came down from heaven’?”
(John 6:41-43 )
Even the people who knew Jesus from childhood had a hard time believing His claims. They thought they knew who he was. As far as they were concerned, he was just one of them.
“Even if I testify on my own behalf, my testimony is valid, for I know where I came from and where I am going. But you have no idea where I come from or where I am going. " (John 8:13-15)
Jesus said to them, “If God were your Father, you would love me, for I came from God and now am here. I have not come on my own; but he sent me." (John 8:41-43)
WHY did he say he came here?
Standing before Pilate...
“You are a king, then!” said Pilate. Jesus answered, “You are right in saying I am a king. In fact, for this reason I was born, and for this I came into the world, to testify to the truth. Everyone on the side of truth listens to me.” (John 18:36-38)
And in the Garden of Gethsemene, during one of his his greatest trials on the eve of his crucifixion, Jesus is quoted as saying:
“Now my heart is troubled, and what shall I say? ‘Father, save me from this hour’? No, it was for this very reason I came to this hour."
(John 12:26-28)
WHY did he say he came here?
To die. Why? To save ALL men and women from their 'original' sins.
However, Paul the Apostle makes it CRYSTAL clear that Jesus came to abolish the penalty of 'original sin' (i.e., we are all born in sin and were/are therefore in need of being 'saved' from the condemnation of God)
"Therefore, just as sin entered the world through one man, and death through sin, and in this way death came to all men, because all sinned– " (Romans 5:12)
"Consequently, just as the result of one trespass [Adam & Eve -kw] was condemnation for all men, so also the result of one act of righteousness was justification that brings life for all men." (Romans 5:17-19)
"For we know that our old self was crucified with him so that the body of sin might be done away with, [ Or be rendered powerless] that we should no longer be slaves to sin" (Romans 6:6)
Did Jesus or Paul mention Adam (in the NT)?
Jesus is not quoted mentioning Adam directly, but Paul doesn't pussyfoot around on this point. He definitely mentions Adam.
"For as in Adam all die, so in Christ all will be made alive."
(1 Corinthians 15:21-23)
"So it is written: "The first man Adam became a living being" [ Gen. 2:7] ; the last Adam, a lifegiving spirit." (1 Corinthians 15:44-46)
Paul also mentions Adam in I Timothy.
Bottom line...
If I'm playing poker and the stakes are my eternal life, am I going to bet on the hand that relies on ONLY stuff that I can know just from science alone, or do I play the hand that relies on BOTH science and Revelation?
Contrary to the belief of many, science and New Testament theology are not mutually exclusive or contradictory. Science isn't 'better' than biblical revelation, and Biblical teachings are not unreliable bunk.
It's a sad mistake to equate or tie a scientific theory with the validity of all of science itself.
No branch of science
depends on evolution, sorry (even tho many seem to think so). Science won't fall apart if evolution isn't true. Science is bigger than the theories spawned in its name. It had
better be!
