[Michaelangelica]

Originally Posted by Pyrotex

"There is nothing new under the sun, no not one thing."
The world MUST be set aright, the way god made it, the way god wants it.

How does She want it?

[Pyrotex]

Originally Posted by Michaelangelica

How does She want it?

Well, DUH!!!!
Isn't it obvious that She wants it back the way She described it in Her inspired scriptures?
She wants a world with no technology or medicine, where poverty and disease reigns supreme, and where survival requires constant back-breaking work with no time for recreation, reading or scientific exploration. She wants societies dominated by spears, swords (and the occassional ballista).

[Michaelangelica]

Originally Posted by Pyrotex

Well, DUH!!!!
Isn't it obvious that She wants it back the way She described it in Her inspired scriptures?
She wants a world with no technology or medicine, where poverty and disease reigns supreme, and where survival requires constant back-breaking work with no time for recreation, reading or scientific exploration. She wants societies dominated by spears, swords (and the occassional ballista).

What a Bitch!

[justforfun]

"This is true of course. Zealotry is not limited to religion.
However, Science (big S) does not have a central throne of authority or something like an Inquisition to "enforce" the orthodox position."

Science has research budgets, science has public ridicule, tenure, etc.
Scientists have tunnel vision just like other humans. Scientists have University degrees which grant some of them Supreme Arrogance. I suspect most scientists in private conversations with good friends will admit to beliefs they would nevber Publish.
Another thing about this rising ocean 'threat.' It seems to me that Earth might want the levels to rise, but $$$ interests want to retain the status quo. Which just isn't going to happen.
And let me end with a question. Is it possible that other factors, especially solar activity, could be adding to climate change? ta-ta fer now...

[Pyrotex]

Originally Posted by justforfun

...Science has research budgets, science has public ridicule, tenure, etc. Scientists have tunnel vision just like other humans....

Of course, of course they do. Scientists have heads just like serial killers. Does that make scientists "just like" or "comparable" to serial killers? Of course not! You are attempting to use a lesser form of the fallacy: <condemnation by association>. Scientists write books just like science fiction authors. Does that mean the scientific books are "no better" than fiction? Come, come, that just won't fly.

Yes, scientists criticize and even ridicule each other. So what? Does this suppress free thought today? No it does not. The Inquisition tortured and killed millions. Did that suppress free thought? You bet it did, Bucko!!! Scientists do not go to war with each other, declaring Crusades and Jihad.

Are scientists ever wrong? Sure they are! But notice that Science has continually gained knowledge and understanding, probing ever deeper into the structure of our Universe, at the atomic scale and the cosmic scale. What has religion learned in the last thousand years? That gays and lesbians caused the flooding of New Orleans??

And let me end with a question. Is it possible that other factors, especially solar activity, could be adding to climate change?...

No.

[TheFaithfulStone]

Originally Posted by justforfun

And let me end with a question. Is it possible that other factors, especially solar activity, could be adding to climate change?

You wanna take the wager and find out? If it's us and we do nothing, we all die, if it's not us and we do nothing, we all die. if it's not us and we do something, then nothing happens. if it us, and we do something, then we've saved the world.

In other words, the worst possible course of action is to do nothing.

Or, maybe just...

Originally Posted by pyrotex

No.

TFS

[Michaelangelica]

Originally Posted by justforfun

And let me end with a question. Is it possible that other factors, especially solar activity, could be adding to climate change? ta-ta fer now...

Yes
If you look though the very many "Planet Warming" type threads you will see many suggestions. Planetry mechanics, natural 1,000 year cycles of the sun or the earth, wobble etc
However the consensus seems to be emerging that man-made activity is increasing the planet's temperature (maybe only in the short term). Still many disagree with this and have some good science to back up their positions. In something as complex as life and earth science we will never have a bead on all the possible variables. So we may just end up with an educated guess that it would be a good thing for all if we tried to reduce CO2 emissions.
It is unfortunate that 44% of USAans (USA=the major source of CO2 )believe that Armageddon is coming within 10 years-so why should they worry?

From Pyrotex:
That gays and lesbians caused the flooding of New Orleans??

Wow! I'm impressed!
I didn't realise that gays were so powerful!
I will be a lot more respectful in future!

[Pyrotex]

Originally Posted by Michaelangelica

Yes. If you look though the very many "Planet Warming" type threads you will see many suggestions. Planetry mechanics, natural 1,000 year cycles of the sun or the earth, wobble etc...

You're confusing a hypothesis with a (sound) theory. I can hypothesize that global warming is caused by termite farts (which contains methane). But it isn't a viable theory until I collect the facts and do the math. It is a "possibility" as long as the jury is out. But when the jury comes in with their facts and figures and says, "no, termites do not produce near enough methane to cause the observed global warming", then that hypothesis is no longer a viable "possibility". If the jury says, "yes, the facts and figures show that this adequately explains global warming", then you got a working theory.

Yes, there are many proposed explanations, such as natural cycles of the sun (not found), wobbles of the Earth (not big enough), and many others, but the facts and the math have shot most of them down. They are no longer real "possibilities".

Wow! I'm impressed! I didn't realise that gays were so powerful!

Don't you listen to Pat Robertson and Jerry Falwell??? Yes, gays flooded New Orleans, destroyed the Twin Towers, caused Bird Flu and retook the House and Senate for the Heathen Liberals. And on a very limited budget, thank you very much!

I will be a lot more respectful in future!

As well you should! Look what happened with Alexander the Great when HE didn't get enough respect!!!!

[justforfun]

First, thanks for the replies. You could be right. I could be ... less right.
Anything is possible. Nothing is certain, especially when it pertains to the future. I will try to discuss global warming in probabilities. Global warming is probably increased by CO2 emissions. Global warming could possibly be a result of other factors as well. Changes in the core of the Earth, Solar changes, other factors we aren't aware of. Reducing CO2 emissions is almost definitely a good idea.
The scientific method has many good qualities which result in many good results. The same could be said for Democracy. The beauty of a forum of this nature is it gives people like me with little scientific training the chance to suggest ideas to others that might improve their 'models of reality.' I did not intend to slam scientists, just get them to consider other possibilities.
I read lots of websites with 'weird' ideas about what will happen in the next 5 to 10 years. While their scenarios are unlikely they are nowhere near impossible. I suggest we all be a little less certain about what will happen in the near future.... and that we keep communicating. Thats one of our most valuable tools! Stay tuned ...

[Michaelangelica]

Something more actually on topic
http://www.schnews.org.uk/archive/news568.htm

The day drew marching crowds worldwide, while one country facing a nasty climate-changed future saw some of its biggest ever environmental rallies - Australia.
. . .
Australia generates the highest carbon emissions per head in the world, as well as the highest water usage per head, yet these marches show a clear distance between the population and a government which remains a firm ally of the US’s ‘flat earth society’ climate change denial club.

During his recent speaking tour, Al Gore asked to meet prime minister John Howard who refused saying he “didn’t take policy advice from a film.”
The Industry Minister Ian MacFarlane also declined, saying he wouldn’t listen to the opinion of “an unsuccessful US presidency candidate who could not convince (his) own people.”

Now John Howard has just given the biggest oil companies in the world (Friends of Bush and co.) a $60m gift to help them sequester carbon, with a totally untried tecnology.
You have to wonder about kick-backs in the club.