The Final Theory

[CrimsonWolf]

Above experiment assumes no wind resistance. Of coarse the Earth's surface accelerates the air up toward orange and results in creating drag for the orange. This happens due to air molecules kinetic force (bouncing electrons) and motion effectively pushing orange upward from Earth slightly. If the orange were dropped from much higher distance then terminal velocity would keep Earth and orange from accelerating closer. Instead the orange would basically "sink through the air" at specific velocity that is non accelerating. The much more dense orange just sinks through the less dense surrounding air. If the orange were more flat then the air could push up on orange more evenly and result in lift. However sphere shape allows air to move around orange as it rises upward.

[DataLabs]

We cannot negate our own expansion or a small balls expansion when figuring these problems. One of the important concepts is that all matter including people expand at the same accellerated rate so that we cannot perceive any expansion. So, when you figure a beginning point of reference for the size of 2 objects in space, and then figure the increase in size an increment later, you may decide how much mption the rim of the planet expanded by the effect of falling bodies, but you would not be able to express the new sizes in our apparent world. This is because our yard sticks are changing exactly at the same expansion rate. So if we say that the earth is 25,000 mile diameter now, we can say that the earth is 50,000 mile diameter 19 minutes later.

But we cannot measure the change in the actual diameter. It will seem to be unchanged. Our yardsticks all grew to twice their size in the same 10 minutes. So, we can only see the apparent effects, such as the force or weight of an object on the surface of the planet or how fast the surface accelerates toward the other body that seems to be falling. These optical illusions are our actual reality. This is what causes orbital curves and complete orbits as the apparent result of the inapparent expansion. That's why the inapparent expansion is a different dimension that is handled mathematically by Einstein and as space-time.

Space time warping cannot be seen and is considered the 4th dimension. I assert that that is actually the effect of the expansion. IE. Expansion is gravity! Expansion is the so called warping of space. Space seems to warp because of mass expanding into it. I think if we could see from outside the universe with a special human body that was not expanding and seeing from eyes that were not expanding, we would see all objects and heavenly bodies expanding at a rate of doubling their size every 19 minutes. We would see objects orbiting actually traveling in straight lines near each other while expanding. They would not collide because they have some 90 degree component of velocity to each other that stops their expansion from making them collide.

It kind of blows one's mind to realize that what seems like an orbit of the earth and moon in our 3d view would actually look like 2 bodies moving parallel to each other in mostly a straight line through the universe as seen in a 4d view.

What we need to study this is a computer program that would try to look at this expansion effect from both the 3 d view a comparative 4 d view. You would need to make the program cause the effects that we do see, but not the expansion itself. This will take a very mathematically savvy person who is also great at programming a PC using graphical models. it is unfortunately beyond my scope, but I bet there is someone in this forum capable of starting such a project. We must show that there are formulas based on the expansion parameters that yield the same results of Kepler, and Newton for slow less than relativistic velocities.

[Boerseun]

I put to you the following:

Expansion doesn't explain orbits. A circular orbit is simply impossible through the units in the system 'expanding'. Saying that the maths behind it explains it, doesn't mean anything unless you can put it forward and explain it. I can also say that the Sun is powered by a bunch of crazy rabid bunnies, their combined body-heat making the Sun shine, and explain it with complicated maths. Doesn't make it true, though.

Expansion doesn't explain why bodies don't expand into each other. Why isn't the Earth and the Moon touching? Simple. Because expansion is bunk.

Expansionists hold that all objects expand at the same rate. Imagine a cubic centimeter. Let's say that's the base unit. If expansion happens at the volume of the base unit doubling every minute (for the sake of the argument), then after a minute, the cube will be 2cc. But the sides won't double, right? If the outside dimensions doubled, then the volume would be 8cc after a minute. Now, imagine you have a cube of 1 cubic meter, consisting out of 1,000,000cc's. Put next to it a single cc cube. After a minute, you'll have a 2,000,000cc cube, and a 2cc cube. Because all elements are expanding at the rate of the base unit (double the volume per minute), it should be clear that visibly, big stuff will become bigger. This will be a testable, observable, repeatable, falsifiable experiment: Look at Jupiter and its moons. See if Jupiter is growing, compared to its moons. It turns out its not. Why? Because expansion is bunk.

[Buffy]

Originally Posted by Boerseun

Expansion doesn't explain orbits.

They say that things "naturally" move in curved paths. The curves seem change when they are near expanding objects, but since this is an optical illusion, there are no equations that could actually predict the movements that include the expansion, but just by coincidence, you can use Newtonian equations because they work, although they hide the "real" effect of expansion. So the real equations are irrelevant. Stop asking for them.

Originally Posted by Boerseun

I can also say that the Sun is powered by a bunch of crazy rabid bunnies, their combined body-heat making the Sun shine, and explain it with complicated maths.

Of course there are bunnies behind the sun! See, there's this massive conspiracy by the entrenched anti-bunny establishment that prevents the Rabid Solar Bunny theory from being taken seriously by the mass media. They just hate me because I'm beautiful.

Originally Posted by Boerseun

Expansion doesn't explain why bodies don't expand into each other.

Because there's something that happens the instant that you are no longer in physical contact with the other body (I think I got that right). So expansion does not affect the moon because it isn't touching the earth and the space between them is expanding because they're not touching, but when I'm touching the earth, THEN its expanding into me and me into it so I feel gravity, but this can only occur along the vector extending between you and the center of the earth and not say, drive you into the lamp post you're standing next to because the expansion is selective based on the angle due to the fact that everything moves in a curve, and that's why Galileo's balls-on-ramp experiment works the way it does. Also the expansion theory is the *only* way to explain why if you jump up and touch the ceiling that you end up staying glued to the ceiling. At least that's how Peter Parker explained it to me: but I think he's hiding something from me (not that I care because he's such a good kisser!).

Who needs math when the effects can't be percieved?

Tomfoolery,
The Amazing Buffy

[Boerseun]

Thanks, your Most Excellent Buffness. I think I'm gettin' it now.

Also, super cool to meet another Bunnyist.

But hang tough - this site is extremely prejudiced. They will hunt us down and persecute us, they will not see the truth of the Solar Bunny Theory.

But we're right. Simply 'cause we know. We'll show these 'the Sun-is-shining-because-of-nuclear-reactions' crowd a thing or two!

Fission? Bah!

[Buffy]

Shhhhh! Quiet! We don't want to let all the secrets out about how the Solar Bunnies do their stuff! The originators of the theory should get their just compensation for their ideas!

Those of you who are interested in the Final Bunny Theory, please go to www.finalbunnytheory.com. For *only* $30 we will let you in on the secret that "they" don't want you to know about! We accept MC, Visa and Paypal!

Fifty Cents, Cheap!
Buffy E. Neuman

[Boerseun]

Good thinking, Buffy!

However, I do think we should give an initial chapter away for free, just to hook'em. I mean, think about it: A kazillion bunnies writhing and hopping and jumping and generally working up their body temperature until they begin to glow at a few thousand degrees C explaining the luminescence of the Sun, is intuitive, after all. And based on it being intuitive, it must be true.

So - what say we donate the first chapter, and make the suckers pay for the rest?

[ldsoftwaresteve]

Ah, the guardians of knowledge have arrived, swinging the same swords they've been swinging since we started this. Hey Beorseun, Buffy, we're over here. You're swinging in the wrong direction.
You fail to consider the possibility that we are discussing and you still have not latched onto the concept. So you make fun of the idea.
If proof is provided that shows McCutcheon is correct, what will you do then? To what level of stupidity will you have to sink to apologize for your ridiculous and childish behavior?
Or will you just say, "oops. Never mind."?
Beorseun, guru, put down your bottle of beer for 10 seconds and consider the possibility being discussed. Buffy, your world view is too crystalized to change. You've got everything stacked nice and neat and this would mess it all up. Fine.
And by the way, guys, we're discussing the possibility and ramifications if the theory holds true. We aren't worshipping at the alter of McCutcheon. We're considering the possibilities.
You haven't latched on to that little tidbit either.
The more you behave like that, the more I am convinced McCutcheon is on to something.

[Boerseun]

Relax, Steve. Nobody's making fun of you. We'd actually love to join in the fray, but apparently McCutcheon wants an entrance fee.

We can't say anything about "The Final Theory" except for what we've been generously given in the first chapter.

And we have to use that knowledge to try and fit it, not into our 'personal world views' or any such thing, but into daily, observable facts. And it don't mesh. Therefore, I'm pretty skeptical about what is so humbly referred to as the "Final Theory".

Understanding that expansion would be dependent on the expansion rate of the base unit, and also understanding the difference between expansion in volume and expansion in physical dimension would show to a three-year old that objects of different physical size would expand at different rates. In other words, Jupiter will grow faster than its moons, making it observable very quickly. If I place a soccer ball and a marble on a table, the soccer ball must keep on stretching faster than the marble, seeing as the base unit in both of them is expanding at the same rate.

It's bunk.

And its useless conjecturing or 'discussing' a 'what if' scenario based on the possibility that McCutcheon is right, because he's not. Heck - there might be a different alternative to gravity as we understand it today, but it most definitely is not 'expansion'.

Besides - who says the Solar Bunnies are not real?

[ldsoftwaresteve]

Beorseun:

Understanding that expansion would be dependent on the expansion rate of the base unit, and also understanding the difference between expansion in volume and expansion in physical dimension would show to a three-year old that objects of different physical size would expand at different rates. In other words, Jupiter will grow faster than its moons, making it observable very quickly. If I place a soccer ball and a marble on a table, the soccer ball must keep on stretching faster than the marble, seeing as the base unit in both of them is expanding at the same rate.

You're wrong here Beorseun. the table is expanding too. the distance between them is expanding but so is the ruler that you'd measure it with. Can't make it more plain than that.