mushrooms effects ( i didn't know where to put this)

[Ahmabeliever]

Did you know NZ Taranaki farmers sprayed their fungi with a chemical that caused physical collapse of the people eating them. It was never mentioned, I found this out in a report about fungicides 2 decades later. I've personally witnessed many of these collapses. The drug culture were convinced it was the strychnine in them and this was common misbelief, probably still is.

I studied amanita muscaria and it's 2 almost identical cousins that could poison you so badly as to bring death or permanent damage.

I studied ergotamine, and the artwork (childrens scrawl filled with demons and witches) around the period. Possibly a major influence in the burning of witches at that time.

The arguement that mushrooms are safe is utter rubbish. They should be controlled, and new users should definately have an experience guide.

As for a world without potential weapons and practical joking friends - what? - mushrooms are safe - if there's no weapons, and you are supervised, and no-one has a laugh with you...

I might add that while climbing the mountain it was dark. The potential axe murderer is a childs nurse, the coke can hold-up was a guy who'd never harm an insect, let alone a human...

Quote "these plants have strongly shaped their society and religion"

Anything that encourages religion should be outlawed.

[Ganoderma]

the thread was about Psilocybe mushrooms, not amanitas which are toxic of course.

read carefully what i am saying. Psilocybe mushrooms are not *PHYSICALLY* damaging. everyone here is in agreement they can make you do stupid things, this is why you should have a responsible friend...they do exist.

ergot, amanitas and allothers have varying degrees of toxicity, but please show me a real report describing the negative PHYSICAL of Psilocybe sp (presumably the thread starter is talking about P. cubensis).

they are as safe as you make them as far as doing stupid things when high. some people react very negatively to these things, user beware.

when compared to alcohol, which one do you honestly find safer?

look at this thread as well for a more on topic discusion: http://hypography.com/forums/medical...otics-bad.html

[Ahmabeliever]

That is true so far as I know too. Psilocybe and psilocybin mushrooms don't do physical damage. Anything untowards from mushrooms has been from the medium they're grown in (manure for several species) or sprays.

Effects. OK.

I like them. I had plenty of great times on them too. I especially enjoyed music and live music on them. Jumping around with lots of noise, ahh, was brilliant fun. I've ate 5, I've ate 10, I've ate 80. I've lain on a 10 degree slope thinking I was sliding down the hill while every leaf of every tree was a muppet face laughing in glee. I ran across a pathway and looked back to watch my legs running to catch up with me. Later on on the beach islands slowly rose and fell in the sea. And I knew that none of it was true, and it was bloody good fun.

Adding to that they are self limiting, instead of addictive. All the heavy shroomers I knew either went to opiates and died or got over it and went on with their lives. I must also add here, the opiate users were already users, that shit kills people. Mushrooms were not a gateway drug to this. One problem with illegal drugs is potheads and trippers exposure to harder wares.

I still maintain mushrooms are potentially very dangerous.

I don't know why alcohol enters the debate.

The time I went tripping and climbed a mountain to look for the sun I was 16. My friends were good friends but they were very young too. Kids today wanting to take shrooms are going to google it, and they might just take the time to read some of this thread. I was at the library devouring plants of the gods and similar books at that age. If we had the internet back then I'd have googled instead.

And really, it was a funny joke, They actually had me thinking the sun hadn't come up

I'm on both sides of the fence on this one. On the one hand I think people should have a mushroom experience, it is very profound. On the other I worry about the mental roulette. That is serious shit, life affecting.

[Ganoderma]

yes, i agree.

i bring up alcohol as a controlled substance. Where i come from (BC, Canada) it *was* only sold in pubs/bars and government liquer stores. now it has freed up a lot but they still need to be government licensed as far as i know....cant buy anything in 7-11 or grocery stores like any other countries.

i am not saying it will stop everyone, but it is very difficult to get alcohol when i was in school, because it was so tightly controlled and regulated by the government. pot was FAR easier to get....i am just saying that in a controlled way, pot and mushrooms could be controlled a lot easier, and with a profit, if legal. but this is veering off topic, we discussed this in the thread i posted.

mushrooms and any hallucinogen are for the mature, strong headed and prepared people with a backup plan. unfortunately there is no limit of stupid people, but hopefully when they read this thread, they will in it's entirety and learn something about responsible use...and hopefully research more on the topic.

my old bosses son was getting into that stuff at 16-17 years old and he and his friends wanted to eat these little brown ones they found in his yard...to me, the biggest danger about mushrooms is wrong identification of wild picked species...there are a LOT of deaths related to this....its not magic mushrooms, its deadly look-a-likes. finally i ended up giving his son my field guide...i figured, he is going to eat them no matter what, i would prefer him not to die eating something else.

[Ahmabeliever]

Yes, education is paramount.

One reason the stupid are stupid is they fail to see the value of education. When I look back, well, I was a really bright kid, yet my naivety and idiocy knew no bounds. Stupid would be a kind word for my attitude back then.

[Thunderbird]

Yesterdays I went hunting for the elusive and tasty Red Moral Mushroom.

Today's dinner....