Ac electrolysis

[Jay-qu]

Originally Posted by redeagle

First of all Jay-qu, go buy a physics book. You obviously have great potential for knowlege, but you are giving people bad information. Don't quote it if you can't prove it. But I do urge you, please continue your research, we need more bright minds working towards a self sufficient nation.

Hi redeagle, Can I ask what you were refering to exactly?

[redeagle]

Originally Posted by Jay-qu

Hi redeagle, Can I ask what you were refering to exactly?

On the first page of the forum you promptly state that AC will not cause electrolysis. Then you claim that AC current will undo what it just did.

When asked to justify your claim with scientific facts you avoided the issue all together. You seemed to get defensive about your "I think" rather than providing information confirming your statement or asking for other's opinion. EDIT "I stand corrected about the post I was alluding to. I have reread it and understand that you did ask for corrections if necessary"

I'm not trying to put you down about what you said just trying to get you to defend your information not your pride. After all we wouldn't have science if nobody ever asked why.




The question that remains unanswered about AC electrolysis is efficiency vs. DC. The late stanley meyer would argue that a high frequency DC pulse would be more efficient because it reduces wasted current by allowing the bubbles to float of the electrodes before the next pulse is sent through.

[freeztar]

Originally Posted by redeagle

First of all Jay-qu, go buy a physics book.

First of all, it's best to not be presumptive and/or dismissive. I'm quite sure that Jay-q has many physics books (being the physics student that he is ). If you'd like to point out a specific physics book to get, then that would be much more helpful imho.

It seems obvious (now) that Jay-q erred in his first post to this thread. We all make mistakes and an enthusiasm for learning (coupled with humbleness) is the only way to turn mistakes into understanding. I'll stop there as I feel I might be "stepping on the toes" of Jay's own response.

DO NOT USE NaCl AKA: SALT as and electrolyte. Clorine ions oxidize easier than oxygen. Thus you will be producing clorine gas which is deadlier than buring the hydrogen you are producing.

Can you post the chemical formula(s) for this please?
Until this thread (which I just found), I've never heard of Cl- being produced via electrolysis with NaCl as the electrolyte. It certainly seems possible as the Cl is already present in solution, but where does the Na go (NOH?)? I'd like to know the chemical mechanisms.

document and publish your research even if it's just in a forum like this or a public blog.

I agree whole-heartedly. Hypography is a great place to do this, as demonstrated by this thread.

[Moontanman]

Originally Posted by freeztar

First of all, it's best to not be presumptive and/or dismissive. I'm quite sure that Jay-q has many physics books (being the physics student that he is ). If you'd like to point out a specific physics book to get, then that would be much more helpful imho.

It seems obvious (now) that Jay-q erred in his first post to this thread. We all make mistakes and an enthusiasm for learning (coupled with humbleness) is the only way to turn mistakes into understanding. I'll stop there as I feel I might be "stepping on the toes" of Jay's own response.


Can you post the chemical formula(s) for this please?
Until this thread (which I just found), I've never heard of Cl- being produced via electrolysis with NaCl as the electrolyte. It certainly seems possible as the Cl is already present in solution, but where does the Na go (NOH?)? I'd like to know the chemical mechanisms.



I agree whole-heartedly. Hypography is a great place to do this, as demonstrated by this thread.

When you run DC current through a brine solution you get chlorine and sodium hydroxide. I've done it my self much the the horror of my chemistry teacher and it's how chlorine gas is made in industry. I'm not real sure how AC current figures in but intuitively it looks like you would get a mixture of hydrogen and oxygen at each electrode unless you run it through brine. Chlorine is a yellowish gas that has a really "STRONG" oder it doesn't take much to ruin your day

Electrochemistry Encyclopedia --- Brine electrolysis

[redeagle]

Freeztar, you are correct. Not knowing his credentials, I should not have should not have made a statement based on them. Retrospectively I see that i was using the very same tactics for critising him that I was trying point out that he was using in the forum. For that I do appologize to both Jay-qu and the viewers of this forum.

Because I do stand firm of providing documentation I will compile my resources and prepare a statement based on them. I will try to have it posted by the middle of next week.

Thankyou for your constructive criticism.

Hind-sights are always 20/20.

[Moontanman]

Can anyone comment on this link? Is it true or just pie in the sky?

Andrija Puharich: Water Decomposition by AC Elecrolysis >

[freeztar]

Originally Posted by redeagle

Not knowing his credentials, I should not have should not have made a statement based on them. Retrospectively I see that i was using the very same tactics for critising him that I was trying point out that he was using in the forum. For that I do appologize to both Jay-qu and the viewers of this forum.

Because I do stand firm of providing documentation I will compile my resources and prepare a statement based on them. I will try to have it posted by the middle of next week.

Thankyou for your constructive criticism.

Hind-sights are always 20/20.

And for that, you earn my utmost respect sir!

[freeztar]

Originally Posted by Moontanman

When you run DC current through a brine solution you get chlorine and sodium hydroxide.

That may be the case, but then, where does the O2 come from?

Chlorine - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

How has Turtle been able to produce O2 and H2 via the annode and cathode? Where is the chlorine in his system?

Again, what are the chemical equations?

[Jay-qu]

Originally Posted by redeagle

On the first page of the forum you promptly state that AC will not cause electrolysis. Then you claim that AC current will undo what it just did.

When asked to justify your claim with scientific facts you avoided the issue all together. You seemed to get defensive about your "I think" rather than providing information confirming your statement or asking for other's opinion. EDIT "I stand corrected about the post I was alluding to. I have reread it and understand that you did ask for corrections if necessary"

I'm not trying to put you down about what you said just trying to get you to defend your information not your pride. After all we wouldn't have science if nobody ever asked why.

Thanks for the correction, it is good that you question it, for I was wrong - but I'm sure this doesn't hold true in all cases. This may be a bad reference but I once saw a Mythbusters episode where both Adam and Jamie had to attempt a jail break. They both tried using electrolysis on the bars of the cell, one used DC the other used AC. The DC reduced the thickness of the bar, while the AC seemed to only cook the electrolyte (salsa in this case )

[redeagle]

Originally Posted by Moontanman

Can anyone comment on this link? Is it true or just pie in the sky?

Andrija Puharich: Water Decomposition by AC Elecrolysis >

U.S. Patent 4394230

This website is a brief description of a patent.

The device looks oddly like the electrolysis spark plug that was never proved to public view to function in high enough volume to power a large engine. Though it is possible that it was produced and the patent was purchased and shelved like the 100MPG carburator.

I know I read on a commentary of a Stanley Meyer interview that when asked about his research on a similar spark plug he said that he was still in the testing phase. I do not know of the extent of the continuation of research by his brother since Stanley died.