DMT and the Psychedelic Pineal.

[neuroflux]

Ive made alot of psygestions and implications about my use of DMT in the theology (plant shamanism)thread, but i just wanted to mention that N,n dimethytryptamine and DMT are the same. Our brain as well produces 5-meo-DMT, and was fisrt isolated by The Shulgins( creators of MDMA).
I have smoked both of them and they both produce startling results of conciousness, 5-meo is more Trance inducing and orgasmic, it is aslo Legal and can be bought over the net at some research chemical sites.
It is not as vibrant and colourful as N,nDMT, Anyone interested in doing DMT can find simple extractions over the net, and as well buy the appropratie material, At this time i cannot post anymore aobut this for obvious reasons,
I refer to my DMT trryping as "dreaming myself awake".....
peace
Neuroflux

[Tarantism]

yeah i know they are the same thing i say dumb things sometimes.

[Turtle]

Originally Posted by Tarantism

i do not know much about neurology, though i am learning, and i am looking for opinions from chemists on why they think DMT is present, and accepted by our brain. could it be that this chemical compound is responsable for your unique consiousness?

You have at the very least stimulated a spirited set of conversations. You have learned as well some of the fine art of including scientific reference.
Could it be toad licking is responsible for unique conciousness? Actually , yes; under the proper conditions. Ponder this:

Originally Posted by Wicky

Psychoactive toad
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Psychoactive toad is a name used for toads from which psychoactive substances from the family of bufotoxins can be derived. The skin and venom of Bufo alvarius (Colorado River toad or Sonoran Desert toad) contain 5-MeO-DMT and bufotenin. Other species contain only bufotenin. 5-MeO-DMT and bufotenin both belong to the family of hallucinogenic tryptamines. Due to these substances the skin or venom of the toads may produce psychoactive effects when smoked.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Toad_licking
PS Just flashed on the fairy tale "kiss a frog" & see a prince thing; do they have psychoactive toads in Europe? Mmmmmmmm....pucker up!

[Tarantism]

a funny side note, i met a guy at the train station a few weeks ago who told me that he was en-route to Colerado for what he called "the gathering". i jokingly asked if he planned on doing any toad licking, he smiled and said "well, yeah, im going to the gathering".

[Turtle]

Originally Posted by Tarantism

a funny side note, i met a guy at the train station a few weeks ago who told me that he was en-route to Colerado for what he called "the gathering". i jokingly asked if he planned on doing any toad licking, he smiled and said "well, yeah, im going to the gathering".

Just rereading the Wicky article. Will check "the Gathering" next.
So, is there or can there be a relationship between the Frog Prince fairy tale and psychoactive frog venom? Possibly, according to Wicky article:

Originally Posted by Wicky

A warning was also published in the British Journal of Psychiatry (November 1990) that stated "the Australian cane toad is popularly kept as a pet in the US, and licked by its owners for the resulting hallucinatory effects," with the note that two types of English toads also have the potential to be used in this way.

But!...Do NOT lick the toad! Repeat...do NOT lick the toad. Because:

Originally Posted by Wicky

Smoking or vaporizing the toad's skin or products thereof protects one from being poisoned by the large number of additional toxins present in the secretions that are not volatile on heating or that will decompose at elevated temperatures. Many of these other toxins are peptides and large molecules.

Off to research the fairy tale angle.

[Tarantism]

its been hard to find any info on the gathering, though in my search i did find something quite funny, and perhaps related:

In the late 1960s, LSD evangelist Art Kleps founded a psychedelic church called the Neo-American Church. The church's newsletter was called "Divine Toad Sweat".[3] In 1984, Bufo toad evangelist Albert Most revealed his Church of the Toad of Light with his publication of the book Bufo Alvarius: Psychedelic Toad of the Sonoran Desert. The Sonoran Desert is in New Mexico. This small booklet details how to use the Bufo toad for ritual and pleasure, as well as how to catch the Bufo alvarius toad, extract or "milk" the glandular secretions, dry them, and "enjoy the smoked venom." Most's book claims that 5-MeO-DMT (5-methoxy-N, N-dimethyltryptamine) is the active hallucinogen, not bufotenine. He is correct, as 5-MeO-DMT is the O-methylated version of bufotenine.[4] Again, it is important to mention that 5-Me0-DMT is present in only one of the more than 200 types of Bufo toads

some biased toad-licking info

the gathering seems to be largely underground, probably for the safety and freedom of the participants.

[Tarantism]

so, from the looks of things, McKenna's stoned ape theory could possibly be expanded to include some of the other naturally occuring psychedelics. what about the peyote cactus? mankind wouldnt have encountered it until much later, but it has played a prominant role in mexican mythology im sure of that.

[orbsycli]

I wish I could have gone to the gathering in colorado.

But, if you want DMT out of the colorado river toad:
dry some of the venom, then smoke out of a pipe specially designed for this kind of thing.

[Turtle]

Originally Posted by Tarantism

the gathering seems to be largely underground, probably for the safety and freedom of the participants.

Including the toads I hope!
The Frog Prince is a Grimm brothers tale & no one would contend these weren't some trippy dudes. I speculate they changed toad to frog & smoking to kissing & that they were inbibers of entheogens. More research.
Here's the Wicky link to the licky dink:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/5-MeO-DMT

[Tarantism]

Originally Posted by orbsycli

I wish I could have gone to the gathering in colorado.

But, if you want DMT out of the colorado river toad:
dry some of the venom, then smoke out of a pipe specially designed for this kind of thing.

yeah, and to extract the venom just rub it under its chin!