DMT and the Psychedelic Pineal.

[Turtle]

Originally Posted by Turtle

Tracing back the Old Hag to Baba Yaga we start seeing themes common to DMT experiences:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Baba_Yaga

Carrying further Baba Yaga's story like a hound on prey, we arrive at yet another entheogenic reference.

Originally Posted by WickyonBabaYaga

The only way for her to de-age herself is by drinking a special tea she brews from blue roses.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Baba_Yaga

Blue Rose
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Delphinidin

Blue in flowers
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Delphinidin

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anthocyanin

Violets...
Morning Glories...

[Tarantism]

cool info turtle! im researching speculations on DMT and dreaming, as well as its possible role in meditative nirvana, to little avail. though i did just turn up an interesting page...

Since these same Psychoactive tryptamines occur in humans, it is possible that their activity may be promoted by the actions of endogenous beta-carbolines for normal psychological processes; e.g. the production of visual / emotive imagery in sleep. The periodic altering of consciousness in sleep may even be necessary for the maintenance of normal mental health, since only a few days of sleep deprivation will result in a seepage of hallucinatory phenomena into the waking state. On a similar line of reasoning, an offset dreaming mechanism may explain some aspects of hallucinatory psychoses. The willful induction of a psychedelic state presents us with another option which is probably an extension of an intrinsic desire, at least in some, to know. Such an experience offers a unique glimpse of the soul as a temporary dream-like state. Thus it seems quite normal that some choose to induce such a state for the purpose of examining the psyche within the frame work of a waking state of mind.

[Turtle]

Originally Posted by Tarantism

cool info turtle! im researching speculations on DMT and dreaming, as well as its possible role in meditative nirvana, to little avail. though i did just turn up an interesting page...

I was thinking of this in relation to the other thread where Craig pointed out the error of equating meditative states with psychoactive states. Perhaps it is better modeled by dream & sleep states alone? What's the term for directed dreaming....??? Lucid dreaming! I'll sleep on it.

[Tarantism]

from what the article said, Anthocyanin appears to be quite common in flowers....i wouldnt be suprised if there was an abundance of these flowers in Russia...thus explaining the trip.

here is a list of psychoactive flowers with a violet, red or blue hue:
Morning Glory
Opium Poppy
Deadly Nightshade
Sacred Lotus
Blue Lotus
Nightshade

[Turtle]

Originally Posted by Tarantism

from what the article said, Anthocyanin appears to be quite common in flowers....i wouldnt be suprised if there was an abundance of these flowers in Russia...thus explaining the trip.

here is a list of psychoactive flowers with a violet, red or blue hue:
Morning Glory
Opium Poppy
Deadly Nightshade
Sacred Lotus
Blue Lotus
Nightshade

The reference of Russia of course in regard to Baba Yaga, AKA the Old Hag. Perhaps the fairy tales - which come from oral traditions - serve a purpose similar to the secret symbolism in the dances and songs of enslaved Africans? The Old Hag is really old hags...the witchdoctors or shamans.
Here's a photot of the first Blue Rose that C1ay put up in the Gallery. Interesting it is one one the most viewed images on the whole site, if not the single most.
http://hypography.com/gallery/showim...ts&searchid=25

[Tarantism]

ok, now to trace the origins of these psychoactive plants. im assuming our Hag was conjured and Documented before the days of globalization?

Morning Glory is apparently found all over the world. i cannot find a specific location where they were first seen or documented to exist...thus still a contender for the blue flower contest.

Opium Poppy has been used for civilizations for over 30,000 years, documented use has been traced back to neadrathal man! it has been cultivated in the ancient civilizations of Persia, Egypt and Mesopotamia (what is now Iraq, Syria and Southern Turkey), also ancient Rome and so on throughout history. i wouldnt count it out, though it takes some preperation to make opium active, i dont think that eating the poppies or the seeds would induce psychedelic states.

Deadly Nightshade was used back in the middle ages in "witches brews". still used in witchcraft to this day. the way to induce psychoactive properties is to place a slimey pigment from the plant tissue or flowers on the skin. there is large amounts of documented use in italy.

the sacred lotus bears great significance in eastern religion, where it is known as a plant that bring s about feelings of enlightenment and joy. there is also mention of it in homers 'the odyssey", when Ulysees and his crew land ont he island of the lotus eaters. the only aspect of the lotus that fits our flowers description is the fact that it is "often brewed into a psychoactive tea".

Blue Lotus could be a better bet, as it is infact blue and is also used in a tea. the ancient egyptions revaled in its use as a "visionary plant", and even attributed the worlds current state to it, in an indirect way.

i cant find any info on the nightshade, but its flower is purple not blue, so taht rules it out already.

there you go my friend in a half shell, make of the info what you will.....

[Tarantism]

blue roses are synthetic, though beautiful nonetheless.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blue_rose

[Turtle]

Lost a post to the ether! Opium is out; not psychoactive. I'm afraid we have drifted into the Shaman thread material. Alas! We are doomed! My pineal is throbbing.

[Tarantism]

i would say that the most likely canadates for the "im the mysterious blue flower" award would include, but not nessesarily be limited to...Blue Lotus, Moring Glory and Deadly Nightshade...the nightshade being the lest likely of the three.

i ahvent ever heard of a brew being made from morning glory, though ill bet its possible. alas, i am no shamen, at least not the morning glory kind. my brewing expertise tends to be more directed towards mexican and south american brews, not eurpoian.

still, what progress! and there is so much more that can be discussed. im afraid that its difficult to find any more information on Callaway's specualtions on DMT and dreaming, though he did publish several books that i belive have an abundance of the information that we require.

damnit, i want a machine that can instantaniously poof required matter at the push of a button! i want to learn Katabatak, too!

[Turtle]

Originally Posted by Tarantism

i would say that the most likely canadates for the "im the mysterious blue flower" award would include, but not nessesarily be limited to...Blue Lotus, Moring Glory and Deadly Nightshade...the nightshade being the lest likely of the three.

In the legend described of Baba Yaga, the Blue Flower Tea was to de-age herself, which suggests to me an antidote. It may not be the psychoactive itself, but a buffer.

Originally Posted by Tarantism

damnit, i want a machine that can instantaniously poof required matter at the push of a button! i want to learn Katabatak, too!

So be it! Learn Katabataks Here No entheogens required; so simple, a child can learn it.