Na or NaO

[P-man]

Can I get Na or NaO relatively easily and using not very complex/unfindable chemicals?

[Jay-qu]

no, the only way to get Na is through electrolosis of a molton Na salt, such as table salt - NaCl, there was a thread about electrolosis of this kind not to long ago, but consider yourself warned, its not easy or all that safe if you dont know what your doing.

[Racoon]

Originally Posted by Jay-qu

no, the only way to get Na is through electrolosis of a molton Na salt, such as table salt - NaCl, there was a thread about electrolosis of this kind not to long ago, but consider yourself warned, its not easy or all that safe if you dont know what your doing.

I saw a killer documentary on Salt Mining and Salt cultivation yesterday at my brothers house on the Learning Channel.

78 Metric tons of Salt per 1 square kilometer of Ocean Water!

There is an Ancient Salt mine in Poland that is definately worth looking into!

[P-man]

What about NaO?

[Jay-qu]

Sodium oxide would actually be Na2O - and it would probably be the way most sodium 'ore' is found in the earths crust.

[Little Bang]

There is no such animal as sodium dioxide. The sodium is +1 and oxygen is -1.

[P-man]

Thanks for the info. I ended up doing some theoretical experiments during my research. With NaCO3 I tried to find some answers:

NaCO3 + H2SO4 --> NaHSO4 + HCO3- (What happens to the HCO3 anion?)

NaCO3 + HCl --> NaOH + Cl + CO2 (I am not at all sure about this one. I had to re-do it a couple of times and I still don't know.)

NaCO3 + H2O2 --> NaCO + H2O (This one I am pleased with, but I'm probably not right.)

Then with CuSO4 I wanted to see if I could isolate the Cu:

CuSO4 + H2SO4--> CuO2 + S2O4 + H2O2 (A lot of guessing work. Not at all sure on this one.)

CuSO4 + 2HCl --> CuCl2 + H2SO4 (This one took a lot of re-doing as well and I have no clue about it.)

CuSO4 + H2O2 --> Cu + H2SO6 (This one I think I might have found my goal, but once again it's scrappy.)

[Jay-qu]

where do you keep getting from these equations from? because not all of them are correct, if you are just randomly throwing things together thats not exactly how chemistry works..
I recommened you get yourself a valence table, which contains common ions, and a chemistry text book which can tell you about basic reactions, what happens and how to write equations of them - then go from there

[P-man]

Well, actually, I have two textbooks straight out of the UofT Bookstore. I used them both in my research, so I am not randomly throwing things together. Thank you very much.

Oh, and will you please remember that I am 13 and in Grade Eight. I do not have the knowledge yet, and my stuff is still scrappy. That is why I come here for help.

[InfiniteNow]

Thatta boy, P-man... You keep trying. Don't take it personally. Jay-qu is just trying to point you in the right direction. Keep your chin up and your eyes open, and all this chemistry stuff will slowly start to "bond" with you.