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| | Re: Salt, NaCl, Sodium Chloride. http://www.newstarget.com/019680.html Quote:
Quite simply, the issue is that not all sources of sodium and salt are the same.
As far as the body is concerned, there is no connection between the chemically-cleansed sodium chloride table salt you buy in the supermarket, which is added to virtually every processed food you buy, and the mineral rich organic sea salt available in health food stores.
One can kill you; the other heals you. In fact, it's essential for life.
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Originally Posted by Chacmool Thanks for the reply, hallenrm! I actually have LOW blood pressure. I should have mentioned the specific medication I'm taking: it's for bipolar disorder. If I even skip one day, I just want to eat salt all the time. But no matter how much salt or salty foods I eat, it's never enough. Only taking the medication again makes the craving go away. I'm usually quite fond of salt, but these cravings are unbearable. I wonder if it has something to do with the calcium and magnesium levels in the brain?  | Hey Chacmool. Try real sea salt. That might actually be what you body is craving. White table salt is nothing but highly refined poison | 
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| | | Re: Salt, NaCl, Sodium Chloride. Quote: |
White table salt is nothing but highly refined poison
| Well considering that they're the same thing....
...albeit with slightly different background compositions...
...it's definitely not a poison.
Sodium Chloride is Sodium Chloride.
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Originally Posted by Mercedes Benzene Well considering that they're the same thing....
...albeit with slightly different background compositions...
...it's definitely not a poison.
Sodium Chloride is Sodium Chloride. | Honestly, white table salt bears very little resemblance to sea salt. For a start it is made usually from land salt deposits. There are over 1200 different binary compounds in sea water. Many of these (around 20%) do not exist in land based salt deposits.
Land based salt deposits are refined over and over again to remove what they consider impurities, ie all the trace elements, until they are left with almost pure NaCl.
Yes, Sodium Chloride is Sodium Chloride but there is a lot more to Sea Salts than Sodium Chloride. | 
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There are over 1200 different binary compounds in sea water. Many of these (around 20%) do not exist in land based salt deposits.
| That's true, but it's not to say that all of those are good for you.
Arsenides have been shown to be a big problem in sea salts...
...that's not exactly what I'd call "good", but 
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Originally Posted by Mercedes Benzene That's true, but it's not to say that all of those are good for you.
Arsenides have been shown to be a big problem in sea salts...
...that's not exactly what I'd call "good", but  | Yesterday I bought some sea salt and some "Horizon" salt flakes from an Australian Artesian well source.
If this keeps going, I'll have to start believing in homeopathy!
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Originally Posted by Mercedes Benzene That's true, but it's not to say that all of those are good for you.
Arsenides have been shown to be a big problem in sea salts...
...that's not exactly what I'd call "good", but  | These are the known arsenic compounds in Sea Water.
There are no arsenides as far as I know.
Is there actually such a thing as an Arsenide?
arsenic (III) bromide
arsenic (III) chloride
arsenic (V) chloride
arsenic (III) fluoride
arsenic (V) fluoride
arsenic (III) hydride
arsenic (II) hydride
arsenic (III) iodide
arsenic (II) iodide
arsenic (III) oxide
arsenic (V) oxide
arsenic (III) selenide
arsenic (III) sulphide
arsenic (V) sulphide
arsenic (II) sulphide
arsenic (III) telluride
I ask honestly and openly (I am not being a smart arse) are any of these poisonous? And if so, at what concentrations? I have PPMs available | 
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| | Re: Salt, NaCl, Sodium Chloride. Listen YYYY, I'm not trying to be argumentative.
I was simply saying that Sea Salt is filled with numerous compounds that are harmful to humans (despite the fact that they exist in small [possibly negligible] quantities).
>>> Most arsenic-containing compounds are extremely toxic, including the ones that you have just named.
>>> An "arsenide" is a compound that contains arsenic in its -3 oxidation state.
>>> Brush up on your chemistry before you decide to fight me. I'm a bitch sometimes, but I have to defend my "specialty".
No hard feelings, but please, please do your research. 
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Originally Posted by Mercedes Benzene Listen YYYY, I'm not trying to be argumentative.
>>> Brush up on your chemistry before you decide to fight me. I'm a bitch sometimes, but I have to defend my "specialty". | Chill out. I am not trying to fight you. Like I said my question was stated openly and honestly. I am not looking for an arguement. Just information.
Thanks for what you have provided.
PS A bit of quick googling came up with
Many common arsenic compounds can dissolve in water. Most of the arsenic in water will ultimately end up in soil or sediment.
Fish and shellfish can accumulate arsenic; most of this arsenic is in an organic form called arsenobetaine that is much less harmful.
Arsenic in animals and plants combines with carbon and hydrogen to form organic arsenic compounds.
Organic arsenic compounds are less toxic than inorganic arsenic compounds. Exposure to high levels of some organic arsenic compounds may cause similar effects as inorganic arsenic.
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Originally Posted by YYYY These are the known arsenic compounds in Sea Water.
There are no arsenides as far as I know.
Is there actually such a thing as an Arsenide? | "poison" is a much maligned and mis-used word. (One of my pet bugs is when people talk about "poisonous plants" as if they are out there waiting to get you and strangle you)
Almost anything, in the right dose, can kill you.
In that sense, then, everything in your list is poisonous.
The body has developed lots of wondrous mechanisms designed to control most environmental toxins. Not least of which is the sloughing off of the intestine cell wall every few days.
Even unknown and "new" toxins (like DDT) are carted off by the body and 'safely' stored away, out of harm's way, in fat cells. Some say personal allergens are dealt with in the same way. (This is one reason why you fell so shitty when dieting).
Homeopathy is weird branch of herbal medicine which takes toxic substances and dilutes them so much you couldn't pick them up on a gas cromatograph.
The theory goes that if Arsenic makes you fall-down-and-froth-at-the-mouth;
then any disease that has symptoms of fall-down-and-froth-at-the-mouth can be cured by a homeopathic (read, 'infinitesimal tiny') tincture of the herb/compound that does the same thing in full dose form
The theory is "like cures like".
A fiend of mine swears by snake-venom homeopathic tincture for his Hay Fever
So if you believe in homeopathy you could say that poison makes you well
As we al know one sleeping pill (in the good old days when they had decent strength drugs) will put you to sleep; too many will kill you.
So the short answer to your question is:
Who knows? but probably no, they are not drop-down-dead poisonous in sea water or salt.
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