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Is it possible for Sodium and Gold to bond chemically?
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I doubt it. Although it is *possible* that *theoretical* bonds form, I don't think that and true bonds will form, the observable kind.


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Both metals is easily oxidized. So there are no netgain of energy. Unless you might find a reaction system where the thermodynamics favours these kinds of bond formation. Maybe somewhere in an exotic and hostile environment like deep under Jupiters atmosphere?
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Both metals is easily oxidized.
What? I thought gold oxidation was hardly perceptable...

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Yes. It is very possible indeed.
I would imagine that this compound could be created through a reduction of a solution containing gold and sodium ions. I've seen the compound in numerous books, but I have no clue how stable it is. Early indications seem to suggest that it is a semi-stable solid.

Perhaps I'll go experiment, and see what I can come up with.


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May I ask why you would want to do this?


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To the best of my limited chemistry knowledge, gold is a noble metal and don't chemically bond with anything. At best, it'll make an alloy with another metal, but that's not a chemical bond. It's only interactions in chemical reactions might be as a catalist, but it shouldn't participate in any reactions outside of acting as a catalist.


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Yes. It is very possible indeed.
I would imagine that this compound could be created through a reduction of a solution containing gold and sodium ions. I've seen the compound in numerous books, but I have no clue how stable it is. Early indications seem to suggest that it is a semi-stable solid.

Perhaps I'll go experiment, and see what I can come up with.
Yeah, of course it is. Gold has a d orbital having d9, and will be able accept an electron theoretically. Sodium can furnish this electron.


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What? I thought gold oxidation was hardly perceptable...

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But what I meant was that Gold is easier oxidized from metal-state (0-state) than reduced.
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But what I meant was that Gold is easier oxidized from metal-state (0-state) than reduced.
That's quite all right, this conversation is a bit above my head anyway.

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