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Sometimes 4 23.53%
No, I am a firm believer of the philosophy of non violence! 7 41.18%
I believe in non violence but sometimes I do get violent! 6 35.29%
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Old 09-30-2006   #1 (permalink)
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Do you dig Violence?

Most of us are violent at times, but some people believe that life is impossible without violence. According to them the world is like a jungle, where only the violent can survive.

What about you? Do you think a belief in non violence can help the world today, as was the belief of Mahatma Gandhi and as it is of Daisaku Ikeda



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I am a very firm believer in non-violence.
However, your options didn't quite fit me. While I don't believe anyone should commit violence on another, I do believe that violence sometimes has to be used to prevent violence.

I don't believe you can simply say the world would be better without violence as violence is, IMHO, the result of fear and intolerance. Those are the things that need to be eliminated in order to eliminate violence.


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i put that i am a beiever in non-violence...but i do defend myself if need be.


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It makes a good movie.. thats about all.


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Re: Do you dig Violence?

Its indeed heatening to know that at least majority of the Hypographers who are prompted to vote on a subject like violence chose that they believe in non violence.

But will these people articulate their thoughts on the relevance of non violence today, when the world is facing violence perperated by Al Quaida and Bush administration.


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But will these people articulate their thoughts on the relevance of non violence today, when the world is facing violence perperated by Al Quaida and Bush administration.
I wish I had an easy solution.
I believe that if we pulled all support for Isreal and pulled all troops out of any non US territory that Al Quaida would deflate or find another enemy to rally around. Please note I do not propose that we actually do this.

I think Bush made a huge error in targeting Iraq and not going into Afghanastan with enough troops to capture OBL. Instead he started a fight in a country which acted as recruitment for Al Quida.

We now can only hope that OBL meets his end through disease or accident.

I'm rambling, I apologize, I just don't know what we need to do to get world opinion back on our side or end the conflict with Al Quida or Iraq successfully


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Well, lets digress from the international violence perpetrated on humanity by Al Quaida or Bush administration for whatever reasons.

For a moment let us concentrate on the doctrine of non violence professed by many personalities the world around for ages. Let us try to answer the following questions.

1. How many international personalities that professed non violence are you aware of?

2. Have you ever cared to read literature about any one of them?

3. Have you ever given a serious thought about the doctrine? Say even for fifteen minutes!



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Since I put forward the questions let me answer a few of them. I was born in the same country as M. K. Gandhi, the apostle of non violence recognized the world over. Since I am fairly old, at present 53, I have grown up reading about Gandhi. I have also seen the film Gandhi directed by the famous David attenborough on the life of Gandhi several times. In fact I saw it once again yesterday only, on a TV channel.

Let me brief you what I think this personality was and how did he become what he became.

Mohandas Karamchand Gandhi was born in a prosperous family; prosperous
enough to educate him enough so that he could attain qualifications for
a barrister from the Oxford University.He was also lucky enough that he
got a contract from some prosperous clients in South Africa. It is during his journey to meet these clients in South Africa that he came face to face for the first time the atrocities based on apartheid of the British Empire. He was thrown out of the first class railway compartment in the night even though he had a valid ticket for the journey.

After he somehow reached his destination, he came to know of the culture based on apartheid there. He wanted to react. He realized that any kind of violent struggle would be futile because the law and the power of force was only with the government. He therefore experimented with a non violent struggle and ultimately succeeded. Because the large immigrant population was impressed by this credentials and also because he was ready to suffer imprisonment and injuries. He was ultimately asked to leave S. Africa by the local government. In the meanwhile the news about his experiment and the success spread far and wide mainly because he impressed several English journalists who wrote professedly in the international press about him.

Moral: It always helps to be educated and mingle with your adversary.

When he came back to India, a country that had been under British rule all his life, he came in contact with many prosperous and influential Indians, namely Jawaharlal Nehru, Sardar Patel and BalGangadhar Tilak who were somehow trying to find a base in Indian politics but were not very successful because they had hardly any mass appeal amongst the poor and illiterate Indians who constituted a major chunk of the population.

It is at this juncture that it dawned on Gandhi the sufferings of his fellow countrymen and the relevance of the non violent power struggle he had experimented in South Africa. He discarded his western attire so that he could be identified with the people. He underwent a long struggle accepting many hardships and failures that came in the way, because he realized that an armed struggle would not be as effective because it would lack mass participation.

Ultimately the British Empire had to yield and grant independence, but it was this stage where Gandhi did not achieve a spectacular success. And he was christened as the Father of the nation. The independence brought about a Government led by the prosperous educated landowners, who were keen to cash on their closeness to the leaders of the freedom struggle. After the independence the adversary was not so easily identifiable, in fact it was the sense of communal ism which was present in the majority of the masses.

Today, the youth and the children of India are hardly aware of this
personality. Lately a Bollywood film called Lage raho Munnabhai is much a topic of debate in India, because it has tried to place the philosophy of Gandhi in the current context.



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Nobody likes violence in the real life just for it's sake.

It either comes from the moment, along with adrenaline and cortisol, or from really puffed up ego. (Or psychosis/neurosis)


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I think violence is an instinctive response from all multicellular organism when they sense danger. Non violence on the other hand is a result of evolution of the human race. For evidence I would quote the fact that almost all ancient religions like Hinduism ( remember to day is Dasshera and it is celebrated for a violent battle between Rama And Ravana), Islam (it has the threads of Jihad in it that is leading to the the terrorism (not all terrorism) we are all witnessing today. and so is perhaps Christianity remember the Crusades) or Sikhism etc. etc. It is only the more evolved religions like Buddhism and Jainism that shun all kinds of violence.

Let me then explore when is non violence a viable mean to resolve a conflict. Non violence works only when you can communicate with your adversary, that is both parties understand each other. Remember Gandhi's experiments with non violent struggle succeeded only because he could strike a chord with the because of his education. Bush administration cannot try nonviolence with Al quaida because they communicate on different frequencies, so is the case of Indo pak conflict, the Indian Government and Naxalites or for that matter Hindu Muslims at large in India.


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