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Okay, follow-up question. I have limited space on my harddisk, which is 80 gigs but partitioned into 3 sections already to save time for backups etc. I have a second 60 GB drive which I use for backing up important data etc.

But I only have 8 gigs left on my C drive...I guess that is not enough to install Linux and still have a working version of Windows XP...or?

I just want Linux to try it out for surfing, writing and web authoring. I use Windows for music production, games, and photoshop work. None of my music apps work in Linux but I have heard there are some good graphics apps in Linux (GIMP?).
My opinion is to breakdown and build another system. That is what I would do. Especially
if you need to depend on that system. Remember Murphy's law. O'Flarity's corrallary
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but I have heard there are some good graphics apps in Linux (GIMP?).
I love GIMP! It took me a bit to catch on to it, but it's probably the best graphics app i've used.
i'm fairly certain that you can still load your distro on that space, but i'll ask as soon as the man wakes up... about 10 minutes from now...


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I am told by people who have do it that Slackware is the best version of Linux to mantain as a dual boot. Also if you're going to do only use Win2k (w/latest sp) or XP (w/same). This is safer and more realiable. Anything else is just playing russian roulette with five bullets.
I'm not too sure about the safty and reliability. Right after my first attempt to instal and got everything to work, I somehow managed to nearly fry my entire HD. Second time around with the same amount of tinkering as I did the first time, everything seemed to be alright.

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Okay, follow-up question. I have limited space on my harddisk, which is 80 gigs but partitioned into 3 sections already to save time for backups etc. I have a second 60 GB drive which I use for backing up important data etc.

But I only have 8 gigs left on my C drive...I guess that is not enough to install Linux and still have a working version of Windows XP...or?
Slackware had some suggested sizes for the many partitions it needed. In total I think you only need 3-4 GB, anything else would simply be padding for the many programs you will use. For file storage, if one of your partitions is formated to FAT32, you can access it from both Linux and Win. I cannot assume that other distros need the same amount of room as Slackware, but I'm sure they cannot be more then 1-2GB more or less then it.

Does it say on the disk package or in the magazine the specs you need for instalation?


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I'm supposed to tell you to check out knoppix. it runs directly off of a dvd, it's a whole linux distro that you boot straight from the dvd, without having to install anything.

i was also told that slackware is not overly friendly to new users. mandrake is pretty good, and suse 9.1 is nice as well.

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No, it doesn't say...but I'll see if I can merge some of my partitions. I am about to need a bigger harddrive so maybe I should just wait until I can get that...it would be kind of sad to ruin my XP installation which FINALLY works quite well after I ripped out some of the old hardware.


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Found my Slackware instructions.
Here are the recomended sizes that they suggest:
Main Linux partiton for variable files is 1GB.
Swap partition for linux is 2GB.
8GB for the /usr directory which holds most of your programs. I think.
2GB for the /home directory which holds a bunch of valuable files. I think.
1GB for the /opt directory which houses some options for Linux. I think.
So the suggested size is 14GB, but can be lowered if you have size constraints.

Three I thinks are not a good sign that I should have been tinkering around with it. Maybe that explains why I crashed.


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I'm supposed to tell you to check out knoppix. it runs directly off of a dvd, it's a whole linux distro that you boot straight from the dvd, without having to install anything.
Sounds like a good start. Do I just download it from Knoppix.com?

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mandrake is pretty good, and suse 9.1 is nice as well.
I actually have Mandrake 9 too but never installed it. There's a newer version out but it costs money, AFAIK.

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that's all i could get out of him, he's still half asleep...
Lazy, lazy. Why, can't we expect him to offer support in the middle of the night? Bah!


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ok, i've said this before about my favorite distro of linux, if you want a system with limited space and resources, you want GENTOO, here's why:
1) its completely cost free, if you wanted to you can pay for the cds themselves, or you can download images of them from one of the mirror sites (go to gentoo.org and get into downloads)
2) for people with broadband connection, this distro is completely installable from the internet, infact i recomend that the way to go
3) the only other linux distro that Gentoo compares to is Slackware, you can change anything and build your kernel the way you want to build it, not the autoinstaller wants it to be built, which makes for a smaller kernel (If Krylen ever posts, his kernel is about 1200k, i believe)
4) Mandrake linux uses a PPS, what you need is a PMS, and there's nothing better out there than Portage, taking its roots from BSDs Port this is by far the best PMS available, makes for very simple package and system maintenance.
5) If you have questions, gentoo forums on gentoo.org have about 80,000 users in many parts of the world, if you have questions, there's someone out there that is bound to answer it.
6) Many instructions about different setups and so forth have been translated to wiki format and posted on gentoo-wiki.com
7) Limited space is not that big of a deal, for your partitioning sceme i'd recommend:
50m - boot
512m - swap
rest - linux
that makes for about 7 1/2 gigs of space for your system, how does that sound?
8) Installation handbooks can be found here: http://www.gentoo.org/doc/en/index.xml?catid=install
9) You will never go to another system for easier, better and faster software installations and maintenance, ever. You need an internet connection, but portage has a huge database of software (actually stored locally), all the software that you know, heard and never even thought existed is in portage, and their lists get updated every day, sometimes many times a day. So all you need to do is open up the terminal, switch to root and do emerge [options] [package] and your computer will automagically find the package, download and install it (unless you specify to only fetch it or do a dry run or something) + with portage syncs, if a newer version of the software is released, or there are any system updates, they will be downloaded and installed with one command line. (no seriously how do other people survive without portage?)

Dont get me wrong, Suse, Mandrake, Slackware and others are still linuxes, and perhaps are better distros for people with anything less than a DSL, their updates don't include software updates, and much software is preinstalled on the system, but if you have the ability to go the extra step, Gentoo is the way to go...

P.S. Irish, Knoppix boots off of a CD, and as much as it gives you a feel for linux, its still much slower than other linux distros, because it runs off of a CD. A thing i'm looking foreward to is the next generation of gentoo live CDs, supposedly they are supposed to be more like knoppix and actually be a pretty full system running off of a cd.
P.P.S. if you have really limited resources check out minix, an OS that completely fits on a floppy (due to the fact that it is completely written in assembly), and has its own browser, office and other apps, and even a webserver.


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Oh, I wanted to say this too about Gimp. It is a great piece of software for people that do general graphics, also i hear its great for people that do graphics, but also know how to program, because Gimp has some cool interface that allows you to write macros, addons and filters in python, and i hear that you can do really awesome things with it, but I still prefer Photoshop over Gimp, it seems their engine is quite a lot better, it could be me ofcourse, i've used Photoshop since the day after 5 came out (they are up to 8 now), and i havent really given Gimp a try, although i have used it on occasion, just thought i'd say that...


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ok, i've said this before about my favorite distro of linux, if you want a system with limited space and resources, you want GENTOO, here's why:
Excellent post, Alex. I'll check it out.


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