AJAX development resources

[Tormod]

Is this the same AJAX that is used in vBulletin 3.5? If so then we'll be using it from January 1.

[alexander]

I wouldn't want to do python or ruby even for a living

I'd love to write in Python for a living, it is still a gazillion times better then getting a job that only uses Java! Its really not a bad language, people do complain about spacing, i was one of them, but now it is firtst of all automagic and second of all i really dont even notice it now, it becomes second nature, but once again if you read python's history, it was a language to teach people how to program, it then caught up with hackers who enjoyed the forced clarity of the language because, well read some perl scripts and then tell me that they are not as easy to read as any python script...

[alexander]

T, yuh, that's definitely AJAX, you know whats cool? the new plugins for vbulletin, like the one that integrades skype and vbulletin, which i can see being cool, if you release your skype info people can click on an icon and call you in a matter of a second! ... i can see where it would be cool to use....

[Buffy]

Originally Posted by alexander

T, yuh, that's definitely AJAX, you know whats cool? ..., if you release your skype info people can click on an icon and call you in a matter of a second! ...

Yeah, the main advantage is that its really fast and can cut down on tremendous amounts of overhead. In our application we have a lot of cascading selection lists, and in the past we had to pull in huge Javascript structures that would refill dependent pulldowns based on previous selections. We're recoding this with AJAX and lots of memory/page size problems have magically disappeared along with it being blazingly faster... Thanks to the browser vendors (and IE7) we've got this working very portably across all platforms...

I'm still looking for a slightly higher set of wrappers than the ones we've cobbled together, so if anyone has any comments, I'm still interested...

Cheers,
Buffy

[coldhead]

Originally Posted by Buffy

1. Of course I'm evil.

2. Ruby is interesting but its also idiocyncratic

3. and its a dangerous UI/API lock-in at this point.

4. Still lookin for more resources, hopefully several abstractions lower than Ruby...

Buffy

1. thats ok, aren't we all.
2. how so?
3. explain what you mean by ' UI/API lock-in'
4. http://www.onlamp.com/pub/a/onlamp/2...ails_ajax.html

[Buffy]

Originally Posted by coldhead

1. thats ok, aren't we all.

Whew!

Originally Posted by coldhead

2. how so?

Languages. They're all idiosyncratic! This has mostly to do with the fact that it is indeed trying to invent yet another transactional / UI paradigm. We have enough of these. (Aside: I'm an expert on these topics. I used to get paid an embarrasing amount of money to pontificate about them as an industry analyst [as did a couple of other folks in my family], so I have some reason to think I can blather endlessly about these topics with some amount of credibility...)

Originally Posted by coldhead

3. explain what you mean by ' UI/API lock-in'

Not enough market share. Lets just say that in a former life I liked Powerbuilder. So much for that!

Originally Posted by coldhead

4. http://www.onlamp.com/pub/a/onlamp/2...ails_ajax.html

Thanks! That's useful!

Cheers,
Buffy

[coldhead]

Originally Posted by Buffy

Whew!
. Lets just say that in a former life I liked Powerbuilder. So much for that!
Cheers,
Buffy

ASAI'mC PB is the best 4GL ever invented. (I'll stand by that statement)
When I gave up IT as a full time job I thought , thats the end of it(IT) as far as I'm concerned...
Ruby brought me back into the IT pack (as it were). I would to any/every-one as a first/last language.

Thanks for the reply Buffster.

P.S.
i'm just trying to generate a bit of Ruby mindshare.

[jettlarue]

I like ajax because i think browsers will go open source as people are finally starting to change there computers a bit from when they bought them at wall-mart. When open source browsing is the majority i think we will see more people usng ajax because of the customisability of changing what a language does. Thats a lot easier for home users than to change there C libraries Just my thoughts. And btw ajax has been around for years its just now that the name is common.