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...the most sofisticated tools I've seen for <XYZ>ML is XML-Spy that you probably know and a tree feature on WebSphere.
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Altova XML-Spy--which is in my list above--is the one I'm leaning toward simply due to the number of recommendations I've gotten for it. We're already stuck on the .Net side of the world so pushing websphere into the mix is not really practical...
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I spent the summer/autumn literally dragging through the conversion of a large number of diversely badly written VB6 projects from Sybase to Oracle.  |
I feel your pain. We're in the middle of converting from ASP to .Net, but sticking with SQLServer, although I'd like to switch to PostgreSQL: we've abstracted the db interface at least so we can pop that out at a later date... Obviously, that means we're in deep with VisStudio, which in its latest incarnation (VS2005) is a big step up from VS/VC++6. Even VS 2003 fixed a lot of my most-hated problems. But I have always been a huge fan of Borland products...too bad JBuilder's being orphaned: I hope it finds a home...
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Even if you don't do the actual coding in assembler there's no replacement for really knowing the bedrock.
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Amen! And of course SQL is a seriously demented language if you're doing anything complex: Quel with its ability to put where clauses *inside* aggregate functions was *so* much more flexible...
Unfortunately knowing the bedrock is becoming less and less common: I was in one of the last classes required to flip switches on the front panel of a PDP-11/10...
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03-22-2006
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SQL is a seriously demented language if you're doing anything complex
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 Especially in Oracle...
You should see the things that could be done slick on Sybase but we had to redesign for Oracle. Some things were just sloppiness in the customer's code although nothing the parser should really refuse, other things were actually matters of neat features or just plain limitations in Oracle's dialect.
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03-22-2006
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you wanna see a demented language? open up sendmail config files or even worse, fvwm config files which are written in an ancient language from another planet...
agreed though SQL can be quite discombobulating if you are doing anything decently complex....
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03-22-2006
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you wanna see a demented language? open up sendmail config files....
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Hey! Eric Allman is a friend of mine! You take that back!
[IM'ing alexander's IP address to Eric], 
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go for it buffy, i bet in a few hours of trying to get in, he will start getting pretty upset...
and sendmail is the only program i know that has a config file for a config file...
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03-22-2006
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go for it buffy, i bet in a few hours of trying to get in, he will start getting pretty upset...
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Tee hee! Eric doesn't need to do this himself silly! He has friends in "high places"
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and sendmail is the only program i know that has a config file for a config file...
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Oh I don't know. Hows about mkmk? yacc? Config-configs are fun! 
Seriously, you would have *loved* unix in the olden days....
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03-23-2006
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How about interpreted languages with features especially for a program to change it's own source code?
Actually, I once even tried an thing in VC++ just for the heck of it, casting the function name into a char* and with the help of the disassembly window, I poked a few machine instructions in place of the last part of the function. I got it to work with no crash or anything.
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buffy, are you sure about yacc, i may be mistaken, but it does not look like it has a config file for a config file, maybe i'll install it and see, but it dont look like it yet...
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