Vista Rant

[alexander]

I know i'm no windows person, but i had a chance to play with vista on one of our computers at school (64 bit x2s with 4 gigs of ram and nvidia graphics cards).

Just so you know, it was worse then i have expected it, a lot worse, like ions worse...

first what the hell do you need those game pannels and weather and stuff on the side of your operating environment for? In mac its cool because press a button, they are there, press a button, they are not. but on windows, i was pissed...

second, navigation, you think XP is a bit discombobulating and hard to find things in? Vista is about 10 times worse, things look and feel totally different and you find things in the most unexpected places...

task manager almost crashed the box, it blanked the screen for about 3 seconds and keyboard lights dissapeared.

it takes 544!!! MEGS OF RAM AFTER BOOT.... there are memory leaks too, like if yo start IE, then close it, your RAM use goes up to 575Megs, and does not go down, MS claims to start the app faster the next time... well i can unload an app from memory in OS X by forcing it to quit, windows does not present the option, and what is even better, when you click start, 2 more megs of ram get hogged away for the menu to operate.

True transparency is nice, only wincrap is the last os to actually visually support it. Now, technically XP supported true transparency, but you could not actually use it unless you were a real windows hacker (oxymoron) or ran a different window manager...

Registry is still the same thing as it has always been since like windows 95... i swear they are still building on that.


You have to click 4 separate ok/yes windows every time you come up with a flash website/image in IE.

The filesystem still fragments... WTH? arent we in like 21 century?

It really is a Hogzilla, i dont see why you people would want to go and pay 350-400 dollars for vista when it comes out, you'd be better off throwing your money out on ther street then buying vista.

here is a screenshot... enjoy...

[TheFaithfulStone]

I enjoyed that. 544 megs? HFG!

TFS

[Boerseun]

I will definitely NOT invest it Vista.

I miss DOS. True story. And, as far as I'm concerned, I got a computer to run applications. The Operataing System is simply there to make the hardware accessable to the applications. Now Microsoft is doing a true prima donna act and making the OS take over all the hardware resources in the known universe.

Answer me honestly, now: Have you bought an expensive computer to play around with the Operating System?!?!?! Or have you bought an expensive computer so that you can run hardware-intensive applications, but found out that your applications must stand at the very end of the queue like poor beggars, hat in hand, hoping for a slice of memory or a piece of processor, only because the Operating System includes crappy, useless features aimed at sixteen-year old girls with zits and bored secretaries? What the hell do you want to do with a weather indicator on your OS? Stick your head out the window, you stupid loser! What the hell do you want to do with card games on your OS? What the hell do you want to do with any faux application on your OS? A plumber is a notoriously bad dentist. By the same argument, an OS manufacturer has nothing on application vendors. Get the OS, a pure, true OS with nothing on - just a gateway for apps to access the hardware. And then get the apps of your choice.

I do a lot of graphic designs for my customers. I have ABSOLUTELY NO NEED to have the complete card set for universal wastes of time like Solitaire, or widgets like a weather indicator or crap like Messenger or a graphics-intensive OS interface or any such crap to permanently squat in my registry, nay, to infest my memory.

BRING BACK DOS.

If I want to play solitaire, all I'd have to do is the following:

C:\cd sol
C:\SOL\
C:\SOL\dir *.exe
Volume in drive C has no label.
Volume Serial Number is C05C-F8C0

Directory of C:\SOL

2006/03/24 02:28 PM 326,465 sol.exe

C:\SOL\sol

...and you type sol and whack enter.

Sounds like a lot of work, but there's zero memory load for crap you're not using at the time. The OS doesn't even take ANY graphics processing.

Windows blows.

[alexander]

Originally Posted by B

Have you bought an expensive computer to play around with the Operating System?!?!?!

as i have said:

Originally Posted by alex

i had a chance to play with vista on one of our computers at school (64 bit x2s with 4 gigs of ram and nvidia graphics cards)

Originally Posted by B

Or have you bought an expensive computer so that you can run hardware-intensive applications, but found out that your applications must stand at the very end of the queue like poor beggars, hat in hand, hoping for a slice of memory or a piece of processor, only because the Operating System includes crappy, useless features aimed at sixteen-year old girls with zits and bored secretaries?

no i did not buy any hardware to play with it, no i did not buy vista to play with it... i'd never do something that dumb! and no, vista is too hard for 16 year old girls, the interface really is not intuitive.

What the hell do you want to do with a weather indicator on your OS? Stick your head out the window, you stupid loser!

lol, i used to have an app that did forecast like that, except it took like 1/50 of the ram that vista weather applet takes... no wonder many windows admins are blocking vista out and not converting. Imagine if you start office with vista, i think thats like 7-800 megs of ram right out!

What the hell do you want to do with card games on your OS? What the hell do you want to do with any faux application on your OS? A plumber is a notoriously bad dentist. By the same argument, an OS manufacturer has nothing on application vendors. Get the OS, a pure, true OS with nothing on - just a gateway for apps to access the hardware. And then get the apps of your choice.

dude, this is a fresh install of vista, as it comes from microcrap. about the install though, it actually froze 1/2 way through the install and we had to restart it, also the nvidia, any graphics card drivers blow on vista, and you now need a supported graphics card with 3d accell to play solitare and minesweeper on vista (so horrible...)
i call it my traumatic experience with vista, what can i say, it was really bad...

[C1ay]

Originally Posted by Boerseun

I miss DOS.

FreeDOS
FreeDOS-32
DRDOS, the one MS stole to make MSDOS, ($35)...

Then again, there's a patch for Vista here....

But, if you really like MS they have their own Linux Distro here.....

[Jay-qu]

Originally Posted by C1ay

But, if you really like MS they have their own Linux Distro here.....

bahahaha classic

and alex I dont think Boer was makin fun of you, just joining in on the rant..

[TheBigDog]

Wait until they get to delivery. I am sure they will be ready. Everything about windows is configurable. You can show or hide every element, and customize them to look how you want. The memory footprint is going to be big, I am sure. Probably much bigger than it needs to be. But they have the distinct disadvantage of being every two bit POS hacker's favorite target, while at the same time having the responsibility of providing secure operations to businesses all over the world.

I work in what is essentially a total microsoft environment. And I must say that since the advent of XP it has been solid as a rock. I really didn't like the new look and feel of the OS after using 98, NT and 2000. But once I got into it I would not trade it back. I anticipate a similar adjustment to Vista. And if I don't want to I can always set it into an "XP" mode or a "Classic" mode and have it the way I have gotten used to. That type of flexibility is part of what adds to the huge footprint. But MS has to be innovative, while at the same time keeping things the way people are familiar with them.

The sad fact is that nobody is out there competing with them in any serious way. If is is so damn easy to write and support an OS then where is the viable alternative? And it cannot be open source. The demands of business stability mean that SOMEONE must be ultimatly accountable for the software performing. You don't get that with open source. If I have MS issues they are on it, any time of the day or night. Where is that with open source? It is for hobbists and tinkerers. It is not the platform you want to run in your office computers.

Bill

[TheFaithfulStone]

Originally Posted by TheBigDog

If is is so damn easy to write and support an OS then where is the viable alternative? And it cannot be open source.

kay

[TheBigDog]

Originally Posted by TheFaithfulStone

kay

Twice the cost. But a good start. Compatibility with windows is a must. Otherwise you cannot exchange documents with windows base companies. We did an exploration on moving away from MS Office to one of the alternatives and found that there are compatibility issues that prevent us from operating as a business unless we stick with MS Office, in things as simple as sharing spreadsheets with vendors and customers.

Bill

[TheFaithfulStone]

They do make Office for the Mac. The base mac mini, which is what you would need for Business computing is around $500. The new Mac Pros are absolutely the best deal you can get on a workstation class machine.

Also, the HFS+ compatibility issues of the past are largely solved.

The real "problem" with macs is that there is a lot of pretty specialized software that can't be run on it. AutoCAD for instance - which is pretty much a show stopper for a lot of people. Or ArcGIS.

TFS