Vista SP1

[Buffy]

Originally Posted by LaurieAG

While I'd load Zone Alarm as standard on any pre Vista MS OS (and don't forget that the latest Zone Alarm won't work on Win98/ME etc), after so many years of defending the trenches there's not really that much difference between the products anymore (especially for the users who really don't have to know, or don't have a clue, about what's happening on their PC.).

I actually argue that the biggest problem right now is zombie mailbots, and if people would just use Zone Alarm or Kaspersky or some such, we'd have a *lot* fewer of them. MS Firewall--even on Vista--does nothing to catch outbound anything, and some argue that they're actually trying to kill SMTP so that everyone will just have to use Exchange or one of their branded (msn, hotmail, etc) mail portals....

Do you really like getting all that spam Laurie?

Free speech is to a great people what winds are to oceans and malarial regions, which waft away the elements of disease and bring new elements of health; and where free speech is stopped, miasma is bred, and death comes fast,
Buffy

[alexander]

I highly recommend using Comodo over Zone alarm and so forth, the firewalls is utterly awesome, and for a little inconvenience, you get a lot of payout in security and knowing what is going on with your machine.

I hate Symantec and McAffee, so i would go with anything but them, Kaspersky works really well, priced well as well, and honestly if you don't feel like paying anyone, there are free antivirus solutions out there.... clamav not being the last one of them...

[C1ay]

Originally Posted by LaurieAG

While all of my older 16 bit and 32 bit apps run well on Vista and my 16 bit development environment runs quite acceptably it is impossible to load the MS VS 6.0 development environment.

That really says it all right there, "I can't run my MS development environment of my MS machine". I wonder how many man-hours the whole Vista blunder will end up costing the corporate world?

[alexander]

I wonder how many man-hours the whole Vista blunder will end up costing the corporate world?

I wonder if you can charge them back to M$...?

[Boerseun]

Vista is to XP what Windows ME was to '98: a disaster, but ultimately unneeded, and simply another attempt from MicroShaft to shaft you out of money for replacing a perfectly working operating system with an inferior model solely on it being shinier.

[GeneralMotors]

i'm considering upgrading, but haven't dared to do so yet :P

[UncleAl]

The only Vista bug fix that works is reinstalling WinXP. You'll have 200 MB more RAM avalable, for instance, and a substantially faster OS.

"A pop-up box appeared telling me that I needed at least WinXP, so I installed Linux."

[alexander]

You'll have 200 MB more RAM avalable, for instance

and that's if you are not running the Aero interface

[LaurieAG]

Originally Posted by Buffy

I actually argue that the biggest problem right now is zombie mailbots, and if people would just use Zone Alarm or Kaspersky or some such, we'd have a *lot* fewer of them. MS Firewall--even on Vista--does nothing to catch outbound anything, and some argue that they're actually trying to kill SMTP so that everyone will just have to use Exchange or one of their branded (msn, hotmail, etc) mail portals....

Hi Buffy,

You cannot prevent people from clicking on things they shouldn't, regardless of how much protection they have.

Originally Posted by Buffy

Do you really like getting all that spam Laurie?

Being a bloke I used to get all the spam for both penile and breast enhancements. I don't anymore because my ISP is good one and added spam filters.

[LaurieAG]

Originally Posted by C1ay

That really says it all right there, "I can't run my MS development environment of my MS machine". I wonder how many man-hours the whole Vista blunder will end up costing the corporate world?

Hi C1ay,

The important thing is that the MS VS runtime loads OK and programs developed in the MS environment on XP/2000 still run on Vista.

Software developers have had to put up with this type of rubbish since the 60,000 program errors (errors in programs that would not allow them to run on Win 2000) that caused the dreaded windows wobble bug.

BTW, speaking about blunders, when MS VS 6.0 released their Sp3, which allowed external debugging with line numbers on failure, the answer was quite clear. While concatenating numbers and logicals (or whatever types) together might be an interesting feature (with obscure applications) changing the type of a global variable in a lower level 64k code block (blocks done by the development environments interpreter not the developer), that then returns to the higher level code block, with the original type, causes the COM object to generate another instance of itself. If the sequence is repeated the extra COM objects will eventually reach the MS VS 6 COM object limit of 8, the program 'wobbles' and falls on its head.