Vista SP1

[C1ay]

Originally Posted by LaurieAG

The important thing is....

The important thing is that MS does one of the worst jobs in the world of programming in actually debugging its crap before releasing it on the public. Vista is an alpha quality product and SP1 doesn't even get it up to beta...

[alexander]

problem is that they constantly change so much stuff, the fixed code they had for the xp kernel is no longer useful in vista. If they were to stay with an expandable kernel that will get better with releases, they would have a much better product all together. I don't have a problem with windows, its a lot of work that goes into it, my main problem is with microsoft policy and methods of selling, more then anything else. But yeah it's like they finally get one product to stable release quality, and they overhaul the whole thing and release an alpha-quality product yet again.

Originally Posted by laurie

You cannot prevent people from clicking on things they shouldn't

that's what guns are for

but no, in all reality, i don't think that that is what buffy meant to say anyways.

you can educate people on not clicking random stuff, but even then accidents will happen. but if you match it with a protection suite and firewall rules and other security precautions, you will eliminate the risk of that click causing damage by that much more.

btw in today's world, clicking hyper links will give away passwords, and upload your browser cache to remote servers. but if you have systems to detect such activity, you will be that much more protected

[LaurieAG]

Originally Posted by C1ay

The important thing is that MS does one of the worst jobs in the world of programming in actually debugging its crap before releasing it on the public. Vista is an alpha quality product and SP1 doesn't even get it up to beta...

Hi C1ay,

I used to develop software for telecommunications engineers before the internet became generally available. It was only in 1990 that we enabled dial up into our lan via ISDN, the internet became available at uni in 1993 while the first ISP in my area set up in the mid '90's.

Back then there was never any need for updates, ever, unless you were loading the latest release.

Maybe there should be a paradigm shift away from an OS with multiple 'life' sustaining (or sucking if you like) and strongly grafted on intensive care systems, before the patient dies.

Hmmm, separating the 'twins' might be a good idea.

[LaurieAG]

Originally Posted by Buffy

Infoworld (I think) also said this week that SP1 breaks a bunch of applications including--if you can believe it--*Zone Alarm*, one of the most widely installed programs (for those of you who still don't think that M$ would ever unfairly use its technology to suppress the competition....)

Hi Buffy,

It looks like Checkpoint has Zone Alarm working on Vista SP1.

ZoneAlarm Firewall (Windows 2000/XP) - Reviews and free ZoneAlarm Firewall (Windows 2000/XP) downloads at Download.com

You will see 'vista' on download.com's page but the other screens only shows 2000/XP. When you run the install program there is an option for loading Vista or XP/2000.

On the downside you might have to start up twice before you can access the internet. On the upside you don't have to worry when ZA detects Computer Associates Anti virus and wants you to uninstall it like XP because it doesn't interfere with it.

One down, how many to go?

[alexander]

I like Comodo firewall more anyways... and that's been running on vista for a long time.

But I digress, Delete All Windows! (reference to futurama, but not a quote here)