[CD27]

Could artificial technology somaday gain real intelligence. intelligence to the point that it realizes humanity is really a virus, destroying things in its path, even itself, and hardly trying to save the surroundings in which it lives. do you think it could realize that of us, and turn its back on us? or would it perhaps try a positive solution and try to help us in learning to be more civilized than we already are? would us as humans be stupid enough to let computers gain knowledge greater than our own? please give a reply, i am interested in what you have to say.

[alexander]

I think that you have a problem with the artificial intelligence.
CD27 Said:

Could artificial technology somaday gain real intelligence.

My question to you is: what do you define as intelligence?
CD27 Said:

intelligence to the point that it realizes humanity is really a virus, destroying things in its path, even itself, and hardly trying to save the surroundings in which it lives.

It sounds like you watched many movies like T3 where the computers take over the world. I dont deny that that may happen in the future, I mean that it's been proven that the gray material in our heads is not the best thinking material in the world, many silicon based materials are a lot better at computing than our brain.
CD27 said:

do you think it could realize that of us, and turn its back on us? or would it perhaps try a positive solution and try to help us in learning to be more civilized than we already are?

I think that the computers will be dependant on us until we develop them a body, then they eitehr wont care or they will be sick of us and discard of us.
CD27 said:

would us as humans be stupid enough to let computers gain knowledge greater than our own?

That is inevitable, just like the judgement day in T3, the technological progress is inevitable. I read something about this guy, who created a therom that said that for a year there would be 4 years of technological progress, he also created a mathimatical formula to calculate how much the processors will increase in speed a year. Well his predictments still hold true to this day; the thing is that he also predicted that in the year of 2020 something the computers will become smart enough to develop themselves, and his formula would no longer work....

[CD27]

that sounds pretty good..maybe i have watched far too many movies like that...but it is very possible. computers only need a means of defending themselves without depending on us to do it, once they achieve that, they could rule the orld, considering that everything we have is done by computers. imagine if that really happened too. the computers would advance very quickly, because of their ability to hold and recalculate old knowledge in the matter of seconds. they could answer questions that would take us thousands of years to answer. imagine that. but, there is a dark side to that. they could use it against us, and then it would be like and ant fighting an ant eater, almost sure to die.

[Tormod]

What you are describing is, essentially, the plot of the movie The Matrix.

It is a plot which has been used many, many times in science fiction, like Alexander points out.

It may be possible to create artificial intelligence. However, I question the assumption that 1) we would have any way to make them smarter than us (how could we?), and 2) that this intelligence would necessarily be malicious.

Tormod

[alexander]

I personally dont think that we(humans) will ever create anything that is smarter than us... I think that what will happen is that we will come up with a computer that will be able to design computers that will design computers... Initially they would not be able to think like us, or be able to communicate or function like us, but after a few generations, newer and newer, faster computers will be closer and closer to having an intellect (ability to reason by themselves). I think tha the problem will not arouse out of hardware, but it will infact be created by software.
This should be under evolution, but it also relates to here... so:
(I read this in www.subscribe.ru News about 3/4 of a year back)
there was a research done in the University of California, a team of biologists were pared up with a team of computer programmers for a soul reason to prove the possibility of evolution, and maybe put people on their way to develop AI. Together they created a program that was only capable of doing simple math (mainly addition and subtraction only), they also made this program create new programs (like 2 or 3) that will be given all the knowledge of the older version, but also there was a mutation factor and older program conducted basic experiments, and the results of these experiments were also transfered to the newer programs (like genetics in animals). Well, in about 1000 oscillations the programs (which there were thousands of), some were only able to do basics, but a lot of them were already able to do complicated high end math (calculus with integrals and such). The result was astonishing, not only did they observer that sometimes mutated and uncapacitated programs offsprings in a few generations came up with new and more complex functions. The possibility of evolution was proven. But for programmers that experiment meant that AI was closer than everyone thought it was, the AI will invent itseld...

[CD27]

woah, woah, wait a minute..are you saying that a computer can come up with NEW mathematical formulas, formulas that we have NEVER thought of before, and that are much better than the ones we already have?

Eric

[GAHD]

Originally posted by: CD27
woah, woah, wait a minute..are you saying that a computer can come up with NEW mathematical formulas, formulas that we have NEVER thought of before, and that are much better than the ones we already have?



Eric

I'll answer that with a very informative quote:

Originally posted by: Freethinker in the Intelligence vs consciousness topic in the PHILOSOPHY AND HUMANITIESforum
Sounds like an Artificial Intelligence question. Where is the line between a computer's ability to process and our ability to "think"? A computer can be programmed with more info. It can have an expert system designed that can provide a resultant answer more consistantly than most people. But someone has to be the model, develop the parameters of the data base.
Once done though, it can process based on logical, fuzzy logic even, parameters. It can "learn" and correct for mistakes.
There are also artificial intellegence programs that show natural evolution. You might find the research of my old collegues quite interesting. Self writing code, Smaller virus version of the code writing itself. It ultimate led to reproduction by natural selection ALL BY ITSELF!
Another very sinmple program, with two rules, replicates cellular evolution .
All at
http://xxx.infidels.org/~meta/getalife/index.html

Really interesting stuff there, I love how a bit of "evolved code" beats out the best human code by 10% efficasy.

[CD27]

um, ikinda don't love that at all...that's proof tehre tht AI is becoming smarter than we are. if it keeps this up, who's to say that we won't create a computere made to learn, and in like one day it would learn more than us. then what do you do? it could find ways to protect itself against us, this way we could never stop it. then it could find way to reproduce itself in codes, jsut as you said, our lives are based around the une of computers, and if they go against us..it would be cotostrophic. terrible.

now, i do like the idea of AI by somewhat, we can learn from it. it could even teach us how to do other things, things we would ahve never thought about, that could make our lives much better. but then, tehre is always a dark side, it could use that new info to turn on us. bad bad ideas there. so be careful when dealing with AI, it can be dangeruous.

[GAHD]

REad Frank Herbert's Dune series, it's kinda funky; set in a future after technology's been outlawed for that very reason.

[CD27]

i've seent he movies for it, i loved it lol. hey, tormod, you told me that i could find links and stuff..where do i send them when i find some really good ones? or how about this..how about we start thread with nothing but links?

Eric