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Are clouds chaotic or fractal or neither or in-between?


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wait....so....
they're all of those things?
does that mean it just depends on how you look at them?


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No, they're all those things at once!
  • Fractal equations can describe their overall shapes as well as the convection that goes on within them.
  • The motion of the molecules and droplets of water within them are highly chaotic.
  • The chaos of the elements drive the seemingly ordered image of the whole.
  • The seemingly ordered shapes cannot be predicted because of the underlying chaotic nature of the system.
Ergo, all of the above all at once!

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ahhh see this is what I figured, but I guess I just wanted to hear you say it. gracias mi amiga.


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wait....so....
they're all of those things?
does that mean it just depends on how you look at them?
Yes all those thingys Buffy silver bulleted so sharply. But also, yes it depends on how you look at them. A cloud is a cloud, but I have taken to taking an up-fluff view. If youv'e looked at these already, you can at least look at one again for the first time. I have more where this came from. Cloudy is as cloudy does I hear.



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Gosh, I just *LOVE* the Straight-Up Cam!

But now they only block the sun, they rain and snow on everyone,
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Gosh, I just *LOVE* the Straight-Up Cam!

But now they only block the sun, they rain and snow on everyone,
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Thanks Buffy! I need all the encouragement I can get because, as it turns out, the straight-up cam is a lot of work. That is more a reflection on my ability to do work than on the rewards of having it done, and I do think I'm onto treasure.

Fractal treasure Orby! The real stuff. Others have looked at cloud chaos from above recently, and for eons from aside, but few from below and straight up. Here's a neat NASA site I just found: >> http://climate.gsfc.nasa.gov/~cahala...talClouds.html

Well, rather than get all foamy at the mouth for this straight-up looking at bottoms-of-clouds business, I found this a rather extrordinary bit of cloudiness.



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time-lapse New Years Day Sunrise over Y'East (Mt. Hood) Oregon: 1 hour 20 minutes: ~8:00: looking SE from Washington: forecast, partly cloudy



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I found this vidio that some wild looking clouds, what would cause this formation.



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