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Nothing.

We seem to be doing a fine job at it simply maintaining the status quo.
While I understand, and appreciate, your point IN, our status quo could NEVER destroy (as in obliterate to pieces) this fabulous rock.
Of course, we might could kill everything and could potentially destroy ecology as we know it, but 'tis a different topic (arguably more morbid due to human potential).
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While I understand, and appreciate, your point IN, our status quo could NEVER destroy (as in obliterate to pieces) this fabulous rock.
I don't disagree with you on the fabulosity of our rock, but I do challenge you to bet on the suggested "neverness" surrounding our ability to destory it.



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I don't disagree with you on the fabulosity of our rock, but I do challenge you to bet on the suggested "neverness" surrounding our ability to destory it.
Of course, never is never absolute.

I'd put it somewhere around 1:10^99 maybe. That's close to the amount of board combinations in the Chinese game of Go (according to this month's PopSci; which also says the possibilities will never (as in "not very likely" ) be broken).

On what odds would you wager?
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I'd rather play Go than wager odds.

If things stay as is... the odds are absolute on destruction.
If rationality triumphs over faith, the odds are better for life.
If community triumphs over the religion which often forms it, the odds are even better.
If rationality and community somehow come together, then I'm cautiously optimistic.

If bright minds are encouraged and rewarded.... Well... then, you'll see those playing Go beside you and I over a few IPAs.



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If things stay as is... the odds are absolute on destruction.
But not as it applies to this thread.

An IPA sounds good, and Go!
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But not as it applies to this thread.
Exactly. Whilst the status quo might well kill off every last man, women and (unlikely) cockroach on the ball of rock, it will certainly leave the ball almost entirely unaffected.

And, of course, a few degrees of global warming, or cooling a few degrees, will leave to little of real effect for most of us. Sure, millions might die, but then millions die every year, and the totals, so far, have dropped most years, rather than increased.
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Post Some original minimum energy calculations, and some unoriginal engineering approaches

PS: Post #1’s link to Sam Huge’s “how to destroy the Earth” webpage is broken. Here’s its 3/2/2005 archive, and its latest (7/11/2007) one.
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Think about it, what *would* it take [to physically disintegrate the Earth] ?
Huge and the several hypographer’s over several years appear to me right on the subject – literally blasting the Earth into never-to-reform rubble would NOT be easy.

By my very rough model, the total gravitational potential energy of the Earth (that is, how much GPE was lost by all of its little pieces when the fell together to form it) is about 1.8 \times 10^{32} \,\mbox{J} (not too far from UncleAl’s wikipedia figure of 1.8 \times 10^{32} \,\mbox{J}, so my model appears not too rough after all ). This is a lot of energy – about 5.4 days of the Sun’s total energy output. Assuming, then, that the Earth is held together by nothing more than gravity (not, I think, an unreasonable assumption, for estimating purposes), and that you could somehow perfectly apply the energy to exploding it, you’d need to use a minimum of that much energy to completely take it apart. Per my model again, it doesn’t much matter what size rubble – reducing it to tiny pieces takes only slightly more energy than reducing it to moon-size chunks.

I can only imagine a few ways to accomplishing this:
  • A giant impactor
  • An antimatter bomb
  • A small, ultra dense (black hole-ish) object
Giant impactor approach
1.8 \times 10^{32} \,\mbox{J} \dot = \frac{1}{2} 0.0026 \,\mbox{M}_{\mbox{E}} (150000 \mbox{m/s})^2, so a body around the mass and initial position of Pluto, nudged to fall inward, then be deflected into a retrograde orbit that exactly strikes Earth, would be just about the minimum necessary.

Getting all of an impactor’s kinetic energy to accelerate each bit of Earth equally seems undoable – some pieces would almost certainly get much more, other much less, so what would result from this would likely be a debris cloud a significant fraction of Earth’s original mass that would eventually recoalesce into a smaller planet/ring/moon system (likely in very interesting ways). You might even just “punch a hole” in the Earth, and wind up with no worse than a topsy-turvy jumbled-up reconfigured Earth with nothing worse than “capsized tectonic places, a century or two or planetary rings and constant meteorite showers, a new moon or two, etc. Though not a total disintegration, I’d say any of these scenarios still qualifies, or come pretty close to qualifying, as “destroying the Earth”.

Getting a 1.6 \times 10^{22} \,\mbox{kg} Kuiper belt object to hit the Earth would be a colossal, though not IMHO inconceivable, project. You’d likely have to directly force small bodies (using a spacecraft-based approach like that being considered by groups such as the B612 Foundation, use these to alter the orbit of larger ones, etc., until you can put one of the largest KBO onto a that takes it into just the right grazing path with one or more giant planets to accomplish the final, weird change to a retrograde Earth collision orbit.

Antimatter bomb approach
1.8 \times 10^{32} \,\mbox{J} / c^2 \dot= 2 \times 10^{15} \,\mbox{kg}, so half this mass of antimatter annihilating with matter meets the minimum-to-disintegrate the Earth threshold. 10^{15} \,\mbox{kg} is a lot, but not astronomically – about 167,000 Great Pyramids, all the practical coal reserves on Earth, 40 Iceberg B-12s, or a 12 km diameter sphere of water.

Since there’s essentially no naturally occurring antimatter, this would have to be manufactured. Taking the most optimistic estimated for anti-matter factory efficiency (about 0.01%), to manufacture this much antimatter, you’d need about 2 years of the Sun’s total power. To get anything like this, you’ve got to do space solar power engineering on a scale requiring the dismantling of at least major asteroid-size bodies, put them in the closest possible solar orbit, build giant factories in space, etc.

Anybody who could do this could think of much more effective ways of messing with the Earth than blowing it up.

Black hole-ish approach
Celebrated in several works of science fiction (notably James Hogans 1980 “Thrice Upon A Time” Greg Bear’s 1987 “The Forge of God”), this approach requires some super-material engineering technology, with which you somehow make an very dense object, and drop it into the Earth. Due to friction, its subterranean orbit should quickly become nearly stationary at the Earth’s core, where it will begin stripping matter from the less dense core and behaving like a neutron star, gaining degenerate matter and radiating x-ray and more energetic radiation. Depending on complicated factors, something awful – the Earth becoming a tiny neutron star – will happen sooner or later.

This isn’t a true disintegration – Earth likely won’t lose much mass – but it renders the Earth entirely inhospitable to present-day human life, so I’d say qualifies as “destroying the Earth”.

In short, with any of these approaches, we’re talking super science and engineering, likely (at least for the giant impactor approach) centuries of it. This isn’t accomplishable today, or likely in a human generation. Given the resources it would take to do such a thing, it’d likely require the cooperation of all of humankind, which, for a “destroy the Earth” project, seems very unlikely.

PS: Post #2’s and Huge’s “direct the Earth into the sun” approach requires about 10 time the energy of a direct “explode it” approach. The Hohmann transfer orbit for 1 AU (1.5 \times 10^{11} \,\mbox{m}) to grazing the Sun’s surface (7 \times 10^{8} \,\mbox{m} requires an initial speed change of about 26877 m/s, a 2.2 \times 10^{33} \,\mbox{J} kinetic energy change.
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Whoa! I'd be very careful, putting such dangerous terrorist aiding documents onto the intarwebs. They might read them and destroy the earth. Or homeland insecurity might see it, and then you'd be in even more trouble!

(Seriously, the above is a joke. Just like homesec.)

My favourite method is the charge destroyer. Simply build a charge destroyer, and destroy all the (say) electrons. Watch from a distance as the earth flies apart under the force of the electrostatic repulsion.
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This question is easy.

All you have to do is build a Death Star.

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For method # 5, overspun.
It is easy. All people run from east to west at the same time.
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