[UncleAl]

4x10^9 Third World parasites with average 2000 kcal/day metabolisms,

(4x10^9)(2000 kcal/day)(1000 cal/kcal)(365.24 days/year) = 2.92x10^18 metabolic calories/year; easily double that if they engage in manual labor.

Latent heat of fusion of ice is 80 cal/g. Density is 0.917 g/cm^3 at 0 C.

(2.92x10^18 cal)(1/80 g/cal)(1/0.917 cm^3/g)(1/10^15 cm^3/km^3) = 40 km^3 minimum of ice melted/year from body heat. 80 km^3/year of melted ice would not be unreasonable. Add daily cooking fires and stock animal metabolisms.

If you want to end Global Warming, stop sendng charity to the Third World. Let them die of their own hand.

[Jay-qu]

you make a harsh point there Al, but how much heat does a power station pour out a day?

[UncleAl]

you make a harsh point there Al, but how much heat does a power station pour out a day?

How many Third World parasites sum in value to a gigawatt power plant? Economic investment is not absolute price. We look at discounted cashflow/return on investment - what we will get back vs. what we could get back with other investment. Given that the Third World is a giant sump of remarkably active reproductive warrriors,

Science 312(5782) 1895(graphic at bottom) (2006)

the more you add together the less they are worth. But we already know that from the first four billion as baseline. How much of your paycheck do you deserve to keep?

http://www.mazepath.com/uncleal/brownies.jpg

NONE of it! Pay for the sins of your productivity.

[Jay-qu]

point taken, but that doesnt mean that I agree with you

[ronthepon]

Third world parasites? Does that mean what I think it does?

[ronthepon]

Mind if I point out the flaw in your masterplan UncleAl?
Here it is.

Global warming is caused more due to the retention of heat, not its production on earth. What we get from the sun beats anything we can do.

Further, how can you be so sure that third world parasites, as you call them will be all threre is to it? The Other approximate 3X10^9 people won't contribute any heat at all?

And there are no other warm blooded organisms on earth?

This is a rather offending. It says some things in a way other than in words.

[ronthepon]

Nothing personal, I assure you UncleAl, it's just that I've had enough of racism and tend to take many things as they were probably not intended as. I guess this is a thought, and let it remain a thought, please.

[TheFaithfulStone]

Originally Posted by UncleAl

If you want to end Global Warming, stop sendng charity to the Third World. Let them die of their own hand.

Proof that intelligence does not equal wisdom.

Or morality for that matter.

Now let's all ignore this thread so it goes away - in other words, don't feed the troll.

TFS

[CraigD]

Originally Posted by UncleAl

If you want to end Global Warming, stop sendng charity to the Third World. Let them die of their own hand.

This claim is simply and obviously wrong.

Compared to all sources of energy - Earth’s total “energy budget” - (it’s conventional to discuss such things in units of energy/time, or power, which I shall from here on), human metabolism is not a significant source of power:
Earth’s total power budget: about 1.74*10^17 W
World population: about 6.5*10^9
Power of a typical (about 2500 kcal/day) person: about 120 W
Power of world population: about 7.8*10^11 W, or 0.0005% of total.

Note that the normal solar variation is about 0.1% (over an 11 year cycle), or about 20,000 times as great as the total human contribution to the Earth’s power budget.

For this reason, well-informed discussions of the effects of human beings on global temperature focus not on the actual heat produced by human beings, but on the effect of human beings on the heat-retaining characteristics of the atmosphere.


Although scientifically invalid, I believe UncleAl’s claim illustrates an important social phenomenon: intense resentment by some members of wealthy societies against people of less wealthy ones. This attitude is, I believe, poorly founded in fact.

As a resource “the third world” (a 54 year old political term of dubious significance for at least the last 10 year) is of potentially greater value than any mineral resource, because it consists of human beings. At our present level of technology, many essential activities, particularly manufacturing of clothing, and agriculture, can only be efficiently done by human beings. If provided with sufficient trade wealth, large populations can have an invigorating effect on the world economy. The third world also contains large areas of some of the most agriculturally productive land on the planet.

As a result, thoughtful people of many political and philosophical persuasions view the third world not as “parasites”, but as a valuable and under-utilized resource. Efforts to encourage it development is not viewed entirely as charity, but also as sound investment.

[Tarantism]

senior gore is still exceedingly BORING.