[Tormod]

From CNN:

Climate report leaves U.S. policy unchanged

"President Bush is holding fast to his rejection of mandatory curbs on greenhouse gases that are blamed for global warming, despite a fresh report from 300 scientists in the United States and seven other nations that shows Arctic temperatures are rising."

This bit sort of pisses me off (pardon my French):

"President Bush strongly opposes any treaty or policy that would cause the loss of a single American job, let alone the nearly 5 million jobs Kyoto would have cost," said James Connaughton, chairman of the White House Council on Environmental Quality.

Scientists have shown that there are two main things which influence the observed global warming: 1) The sun is hotter than in 8,000 years and 2) The atmosphere is full of man-made Carbon Dioxide and other pollutants like Nitrogen Oxides. The first is not influenced by human presence, but the other certainly is. Yet the opponents of the Kyoto protocol argue that we cannot prove beyond a doubt whether the global warming will not recede next year.

Wouldn't it make more sense to assume it will NOT recede? Global temperatures have climbed steadily for decades and are climbing still.

It seems the policy is to make sure we have jobs now. It doesn't matter if 100 million jobs (not to mention lives) are lost in 100 years from now because we don't live then. What a marvellous way to waste the world.

Someone wants the US to leave the UN. Fine. The 289 million US citizens are more important than the rmaining 5,7 billion people on Earth. Should we also move the US off the planet? Perhaps to Mars?

[Tormod]

And the link to the story:
http://www.cnn.com/2004/TECH/science....ap/index.html

[Tim_Lou]

ive done a statistical report on temperatures trend over the 109 years in new jersey for my statistic class.

it shows that the greenhouse affect isnt really that great. correlation is only .4. only 20% of the data is explained.

take a look if your interested.

[Tim_Lou]

well, its only in new jersey..

anyway, i have a feeling that many people are exaggerating the danger of rising temperatures.

[lindagarrette]

The Kyoto treaty is not that good since countries such as China and India, both growing polluters are not included, and Russia can increase its pollution substantially under the treaty.

[Aki]

[quote]
"President Bush strongly opposes any treaty or policy that would cause the loss of a single American job, let alone the nearly 5 million jobs Kyoto would have cost," said James Connaughton, chairman of the White House Council on Environmental Quality."

yes, this sentence makes me really mad. He's so selfish, man, I'm hating that man more than ever

[sanctus]

hating is not the solution Aki (I'm not religious, it's logic.)


But if you ask what the solution, well..........

[Aki]

yes, I agree with you sanctus. Hating is not the solution... but sometimes when we talk about politics... it's hard not to

[Stargazer]

Maybe it's too late to stop what we've already caused, but that doesn't mean we can try to stop making it worse.

[Freethinker]

I always find it amazing how well they can twist things and the general population will swallow it.

My local paper had an article about changes in the State's laws and processes for environmetal protection. In this case RE sanitation (garbage collection and disposal). companies. The laws were just changed to "voluntary compliance" and Industry self regulation. Which we all know means open season for copanies to pollute without controlls on them.

They ahd the nerve to state that the environment benefitted because before there were not enough DNR agents to enforce the rules. Not that is not an issue (as no one will be needed as there aree no rules). Talk about a complete lapse of reasoning!

And ever further then statement was made about the DNR sould not think of themselves as the protectors of the Environment!

OK, then who is?