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electromagnetic motor

What if motion fueled an automobile? At first fuel would turn the motor but then a second motor run from the first would engage the capacitator to fuel the engine and the battery when the automobile ran out of gas.
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Re: electromagnetic motor

Some things you need to read:
Thermodynamics - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Regenerative brake - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Electrical generator - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

THe limiting factors will allways be energy storage density.
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Re: electromagnetic motor

well that and efficiency of such a system is actually rather low to continuously power itself. You can have the motion regenerate some power from motion to charge batteries, but will those extra few miles on empty give you enough reason to increate your weight by having to put more motors in line, and another battery pack. Also how will it change your current fuel efficiency?
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Re: electromagnetic motor

If I get 20 miles to the gallon and I have a 15 gallon tank I'll be able to travel 300 miles. Can my motor produce enough electromagnetic energy to power the vehicle after motion has produced it and fuel has run out? Good question. Since I hold no PH.D and cannot factor in the conversion of heat produced by the motor that would be useful as well as the electromagnetic energy produced during the 300 miles I can not give you any useful calculations that are not allready obvious. It would depend on the design of the motor.

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If I get 20 miles to the gallon and I have a 15 gallon tank I'll be able to travel 300 miles. Can my motor produce enough electromagnetic energy to power the vehicle after motion has produced it and fuel has run out? Good question. Since I hold no PH.D and cannot factor in the conversion of heat produced by the motor that would be useful as well as the electromagnetic energy produced during the 300 miles I can not give you any useful calculations that are not allready obvious. It would depend on the design of the motor.

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Generation of electromagnetic energy by any means other than braking will decrease your MPG in exact ratio to the amount of energy produced, there is no free lunch! I'm not sure how waste heat could be used to generate electricity but if you could that would be a way to reclaim some lost energy along with braking force. Any attempt to use the engine to directly generate electricity will use energy and cut your MPG.
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Re: electromagnetic motor

Using magnetic cyclinders on the axls, drive trane and making discs within the inner wheel well and placing a disc next to it that is all magnetic would create heat which can be transfered to electricity along with the cylinders surrounding those parts above mentioned to create electromagnetic energy. In current motors they are called the brush.
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Re: electromagnetic motor

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Using magnetic cyclinders on the axls, drive trane and making discs within the inner wheel well and placing a disc next to it that is all magnetic would create heat which can be transfered to electricity along with the cylinders surrounding those parts above mentioned to create electromagnetic energy. In current motors they are called the brush.
No matter how you do it generating electricity causes friction, friction needs power to overcome it, so using anything to generate electricity from these points on a vehicle will drop your MPG in a direct ratio to the amount of energy generated minus the efficiency of the generator. You will come out with less power than you had to begin with. You can't get something for nothing. It is possible to use something like a sterling engine to use waste heat but you cannot use a generator to gain any energy from the motion of the vehicle other than from braking force.
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Re: electromagnetic motor

right, so lets say you use direct drive (which makes your car efficiency go up by a huge factor) lets say you have brake energy regeneration in the form of some mass being spun with your axees, and when you brake the enertia regenerates some power. lets say you use a small 3 cylinder diesel engine and run it on bio diesel to generate your power (mind you electric engine is driving all of the time), um what else, you have the newest battery technology, high capacity, high output batteries, a full CF body, a power socket and solar pannel painted into your roof. (why do i say 3 cylinder instead of one? they are quieter, make more power and are surprisingly more energy efficient then one two or four cylinder engines.... as well as better balanced, dunno why)

there is not many more places you can generate energy that will not take away from this vehicle, i mean granted you have a small enough 3 cyl in it, you will effectively have a 100-150mpg car, if not a lot more... you can use a tiny engine with air cooling built into the design somehow to cut on weight, composites everywhere and least possible parts to make it work....
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Re: electromagnetic motor

Motion can fuel a car without regenerative brakes included. The axls, wheels, and drive trane are always spinning as a result of fuel wether electricical force or gas. Wind motion causes a wind turbine to create power so why can't a vehicle do the same?
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Motion can fuel a car without regenerative brakes included. The axls, wheels, and drive trane are always spinning as a result of fuel wether electricical force or gas. Wind motion causes a wind turbine to create power so why can't a vehicle do the same?
No it cannot, any attempt to generate power from anything other than waste heat or regenerative braking will cause extra drag and drag eats extra fuel. there is no way around it. Tapping any of the spinning parts to generate electricity makes them harder to turn which means more fuel to turn them. Using the motion of the air over a moving car to generate electricity causes drag which also eats more fuel. You cannot get something for nothing.
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