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Re: Browns gas the basic physics and it real name is water gas

here is how it all works
1 amp for 1 hour makes 6 litres of gas at 1 bar
1 litre of water makes 2039 litres of water gas
1 cc of gas has an expansion ratio of 1729/1
combustion temperatures: 6000 deg C to 600,000 deg C for water
thus proves the alternator can supply adequate power to make gas to burn and recirculate
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here is how it all works
1 amp for 1 hour makes 6 litres of gas at 1 bar
1 litre of water makes 2039 litres of water gas
1 cc of gas has an expansion ratio of 1729/1
combustion temperatures: 6000 deg C to 600,000 deg C for water
thus proves the alternator can supply adequate power to make gas to burn and recirculate
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No, it takes more energy to make browns gas than you get from burning it. You can't get something for nothing. What you are proposing is no different than using a battery to run an electric motor to turn a generator to charge the battery. Can't work, perpetual motion is not possible.


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Re: Browns gas

toyota said it invalidated the 2nd law of themodynamics it only needs headlight current to make the gas which turns back into water or hydrocloride after detanation with a spark, this causes heat electrolysis in a fuel cell makes the gas, you circulate everything in a sealed loop with a gas noble gas, download it and work it out
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toyota said it invalidated the 2nd law of themodynamics it only needs headlight current to make the gas which turns back into water or hydrocloride after detanation with a spark, this causes heat electrolysis in a fuel cell makes the gas, you circulate everything in a sealed loop with a gas noble gas, download it and work it out
You are talking nonsense, you cannot get more out of the gas than you put into it, not even most of what you put into it. At every step of the process you loose power.


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why do you think i have a doctorate in industrial process control get your calculator we will work through this this calculation is for an engine that displaces twice its capacity per revolution and has been proven to be 73% eficient as i was a design after i had finished my design the same but had a compression stroke the displacement is 1 litre we want to turn the engine at 3,000 revs so we displace 6,000 litres of gas out of the exaust. So we take the expansion ratio of 1729 and divide that into 6,000 gives you 3.47litres of water gas which is a current flow of approxamately 40 amps to produce the whole effect. it all in the water powered engine download on the soilinspection site

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why do you think i have a doctorate in industrial process control get your calculator we will work through this this calculation is for an engine that displaces twice its capacity per revolution and has been proven to be 73% eficient as i was a design after i had finished my design the same but had a compression stroke the displacement is 1 litre we want to turn the engine at 3,000 revs so we displace 6,000 litres of gas out of the exaust. So we take the expansion ratio of 1729 and divide that into 6,000 gives you 3.47litres of water gas which is a current flow of approxamately 40 amps to produce the whole effect. it all in the water powered engine download on the soilinspection site
Look Dr. I don't care if you are Einstein you cannot change the laws of nature. What you are proposing is no different than using a battery to run a motor to turn a generator to charge the battery. It's just another way to show perpetual motion and perpetual motion is not possible. For your idea to work you have to add energy somewhere along the line.


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why do you think i have a doctorate in industrial process control get your calculator we will work through this this calculation is for an engine that displaces twice its capacity per revolution and has been proven to be 73% eficient as i was a design after i had finished my design the same but had a compression stroke the displacement is 1 litre we want to turn the engine at 3,000 revs so we displace 6,000 litres of gas out of the exaust. So we take the expansion ratio of 1729 and divide that into 6,000 gives you 3.47litres of water gas which is a current flow of approxamately 40 amps to produce the whole effect. it all in the water powered engine download on the soilinspection site
No one is saying water doesn't have the available energy to run a vehicle. You missed the point entirely. Liberating the hydrogen from water costs energy. Water is not readily usable as a source of chemical energy. As a Dr. and someone who graduated middle school, you should know this. And, you should recognize it is the problem. MTM made this abundantly clear.

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Re: Browns gas

and einstein had an iq of 175 was it mine is 228 i do weiser in 40 mins
do the CALCULATIONS toyota did
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No, it takes more energy to make browns gas than you get from burning it. You can't get something for nothing. What you are proposing is no different than using a battery to run an electric motor to turn a generator to charge the battery. Can't work, perpetual motion is not possible.
the alternator charges the battery and fires the electrolysis cell generally you double the size of the alternator, does your car stall when you turn the lights on, does turning your lights on increase your fuel usage by 100%, you drop a mere 50 revs!
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you drop a mere 50 revs!
And you gain less than "50 revs" by producing hydrogen with said amount of energy. Do you see where we're going? The energy used to electrolyze water plus the inefficiency of doing so is greater than the energy you get burning the hydrogen produced.

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