Browns gas

[Moontanman]

I looked at several threads about using browns gas as a supplement to give a car better gas mileage but it seems no sure yes or no to this mileage booster was given. The Internet is full of adds to use browns gas generated on board you car as you drive to give huge mileage boosts. To me it looks a lot like perpetual motion. Has any definitive answers been found for this? Steven Harris seems to the main proponent of this idea, he has impressive credentials, is he on the up and up?

[modest]

It is perpetual motion.

Using energy from the car to produce hydrogen costs the vehicle useful energy. Putting that energy back into the engine in the form of the hydrogen you produced is completely pointless. You're bound to loose efficiency in all the steps needed. Gasoline is already an efficient fuel. Why would you use it to make electricity then use the electricity for electrolysis that makes excess heat then use the electrolysis product as fuel for the engine? I don't get it.

Did you notice if any of the websites making these claims addressed this?

~modest

[Moontanman]

Originally Posted by modest

It is perpetual motion.

Using energy from the car to produce hydrogen costs the vehicle useful energy. Putting that energy back into the engine in the form of the hydrogen you produced is completely pointless. You're bound to loose efficiency in all the steps needed. Gasoline is already an efficient fuel. Why would you use it to make electricity then use the electricity for electrolysis that makes excess heat then use the electrolysis product as fuel for the engine? I don't get it.

Did you notice if any of the websites making these claims addressed this?

~modest

A couple seemed to be saying the browns gas improved combustion enough to make gas mileage claims but most didn't give any specifics other then huge gas mileage. I'm taking a real beating on this trying to explain why it's not possible then you google it and your see hundreds of links to people saying huge gas mileage increases. Hard to get through to them. So far I've seen no sites that counter this stuff at all it seems they are getting a free ride scamming people.

[modest]

Originally Posted by Moontanman

A couple seemed to be saying the browns gas improved combustion enough to make gas mileage claims but most didn't give any specifics other then huge gas mileage.

Interesting that the same people who claim HHO doesn't explode also claim it "improves combustion". It does exactly opposite things depending on which extraordinary claim is being made

Originally Posted by Moontanman

I'm taking a real beating on this trying to explain why it's not possible then you google it and your see hundreds of links to people saying huge gas mileage increases.

Probably all written by the same person. Someone who sells the HHO generators perhaps.

Originally Posted by Moontanman

Hard to get through to them. So far I've seen no sites that counter this stuff at all it seems they are getting a free ride scamming people.

Trust the experts:

Brown's Gas information

Notice they're not trying to sell anything.

~modest

[modest]

That last link was geared toward the science of HHO. For busting the myth, I found:

Water Car Test - HHO Shows Why You Can't Run Cars on Water - Popular Mechanics

Where Popular Mechanics tests one with a vehicle - which of course fails spectacularly.

~modest

[Moontanman]

How about the water supplemented six stroke motor?

Six stroke engine - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Crower six stroke - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

[modest]

Originally Posted by Moontanman

How about the water supplemented six stroke motor?

Six stroke engine - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Crower six stroke - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

I'm confused. Do you mean a six stroke motor using HHO? Like supplementing Brown's gas for water in a six stroke? Or, do you mean to compare a six stroke to HHO? Or, perhaps you mean just to comment on the extra efficiency of a six stroke.

I will say HHO is diametrically different from a six stroke in that the six stroke uses waste heat to increase efficiency whereas an HHO generator takes its energy directly from the electrical system of the car (basically from the car's fuel).

~modest

[Dr Kingslee Spurling]

why use a cylinder type engine with heaps of moving parts when you can have down to 2 moving parts and perfect balance no need for oil and fuel because water and hydrocloride are reversable reactions when split with dc current and with a correctly engineered system you can get up to 2 million % efficient go to the soilinspection site to download the doc

[Moontanman]

Originally Posted by modest

I'm confused. Do you mean a six stroke motor using HHO? Like supplementing Brown's gas for water in a six stroke? Or, do you mean to compare a six stroke to HHO? Or, perhaps you mean just to comment on the extra efficiency of a six stroke.

I will say HHO is diametrically different from a six stroke in that the six stroke uses waste heat to increase efficiency whereas an HHO generator takes its energy directly from the electrical system of the car (basically from the car's fuel).

~modest

Sorry, I changed horses in mid stream, I was thinking about how silly the whole run your car on water thing is then it occurred to me that there was an engine whose power is supplemented by water, the six stroke motor! No silly HHO required and a real efficiency increase.

[Moontanman]

Originally Posted by Dr Kingslee Spurling

why use a cylinder type engine with heaps of moving parts when you can have down to 2 moving parts and perfect balance no need for oil and fuel because water and hydrocloride are reversable reactions when split with dc current and with a correctly engineered system you can get up to 2 million % efficient go to the soilinspection site to download the doc

How about providing some specifics on that.