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Cool has anyone heard of

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i know this may be off topic
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Orbiter_(sim)
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Re: has anyone heard of

again although off topic
Viewing the Sky - Google Earth User Guide
this is cool, its a map to the stars using goole earth


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The X-43-A was the first design of the X-43 unmanned aircraft.
It's NASA's project to create a hypersonic aircraft design, and it utilizes a scramjet, which is an engine in which combustion occurs under supersonic speeds.


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were you aware that is is capable of achieving LEO


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I'm not surprised, considering that the goal is to get a manned crew to orbit in the future using this technology, and the data gained from this research.


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now if you notice, in the orbiter simulator
there is a craft very similar to the x43a
the star charts help in relative positioning
now all together it makes for a personal space flight vehicle
(future tense of course)
what i am curious about is, say the whole thing is computer controlled
what would be the process for getting a license
to get one of these things


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Cool The X-43A is the fastest ever, but only half fast enough to achieve LEO

I’m a aerospace vehicle enthusiast, so followed the X-43A pretty closely during its development and 2001-2004 test flights.

The X-43A is a small (about 3.7 m long), unmanned aircraft intended only to test its scramjet engine. Later X-43s were to be larger and possibly manned, but the program’s been canceled, and is likely to stay that way, or at best remain restricted to small test models. The X-51, a larger (about 7.9 m), unmanned scramjet. is expected to fly this year.

Though scramjets have been successfully flown only for about 5 years, scramjets have been a staple of hard SF for decades. There was even serious design consideration in the 1970s and 80s of making the Space Shuttle a scramjet/rocket hybrid.
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No way!

The X-43A is the fastest aircraft that’s ever flown. Its top speed was about 3370 m/s at an altitude of about 29000 m (Mach 9.8). Orbital transfer speed from that altitude, however, is about 7940 m/s (the orbital speed of that altitude, 7887 m/s + the delta V or a transfer orbit to 200000 m, 52 m/s). Even assuming a due east course at the equator, which adds about 466 m/s, the X-43A is only about half as fast as it would need to be to reach LEO.

Any vehicle achieving an 200,000 m altitude orbit must have a “kick” rocket or other vacuum-capable motor capable of about 50 m/s delta V to nearly circularize its orbit at max altitude, a pretty routine and easy engineering feat.

Note that, assuming it could sustain 3370 m/s in a vertical climb to the edge of the atmosphere (around 100,000 m), the X-43A would be capable of a suborbital “zoom” climb to well above LEO, to about 674,000 m. Though high, this isn’t unusual performance for a small high-altitude plane launched vehicle – the USAF’s ASM-135 anti-satellite missile, designed to be launched from F-15 fighter jets (deployed 1986, canceled 1988) could hit an altitude of about 563000 m.

I believe belovelife is confusing the X-43A with some recent designs that call for a scramjet as the lower stage of aircraft launched 2-stage to orbit vehicles, or perhaps some older designs for single stage scramjet/rocket (and in some cases, fanjet/scramjet/rocket) hybrids. The upper stage or motor mode in these designs is a rocket, as is the case with every spacecraft that’s yet been orbited.

Aerospace designers seem to have become skeptical that even a scramjet (with, as mentioned above, a small kick rocket) could be made fast enough to reach LEO. I’m skeptical too – given how difficult it is to make an aircraft that can survive brief flights of about mach 9, a mach 20 aircraft seems impossibly difficult with current technology. I’m optimistic, however, that single-stage, fully reusable space airplanes with both scramjets and rockets (possibly operating a single motor in two different modes) may be possible in the near future.


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I was just going to take one of these puppies for a spin. I think I'll take it up to about 55000m, fly level with the scram jet on full throttle till the speed maxes out and then barrel up at a 45 to 50 degree ascent. At about 135000m I'll click on the rcs and level out with the horizon, then fire up the deurterium powered ion thrusters. Should accelerate pretty fast without any air in the way. Not sure where I'll go from there yet, maybe the ISS. Wish me luck.

eta: Hmm the air is too thin above 40,000m for the scram jet to function. That was trippy. There must be a glitch. I was just about to Mach 8, the nose was glowing a light orange, and then it's like the ship hit a lighting bolt or some sort of spacial anomaly. The next thing I know I'm spinning out of control, way out 3,000,000m above the Earth, clocking about 2,500km/s right into deep space. I can see the planet visibly shinking and drifting away from me. I think that's Earth? Yikes.. How do I get back home?

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