The solutions to Global Warming include. . .

[questor]

As with any problem, first figure out what is causing it, figure out the part that man can control, eliminate the things that man is doing to cause the problem. Is the problem man made or is it tiny changes in the attitude of the earth vis a vis the sun? If it is man made, then why was the earth much warmer in the age of the dinosaurs? We have had at least 4 major ice ages followed by warming trends before man was using any machinery. If man is the cause, the only way is to drastically cut birth rates, have an agrarian society where each man raises food for his own family, and prevent China and India from entering the 21st century.

[InfiniteNow]

Originally Posted by questor

As with any problem, first figure out what is causing it, figure out the part that man can control, eliminate the things that man is doing to cause the problem. Is the problem man made or is it tiny changes in the attitude of the earth vis a vis the sun? If it is man made, then why was the earth much warmer in the age of the dinosaurs? We have had at least 4 major ice ages followed by warming trends before man was using any machinery.

--> IPCC Fourth Assessment Report: Working Group I Report "The Physical Science Basis"


Now that your questions above have been answered, what next?

[Turtle]

Stop all tourism out of walking distance. Period. Stop all transportaion to and from sporting events; elementary school to professional sports. Stop all entertainment based waste of resources; no flying the film crew to the Arctic to make movies on global warming.

Either there's a problem we can fix and we get serious, or not.

Safe to say, these activities will continue apace.
ftp://ftp.eia.doe.gov/pub/oiaf/1605/...rpt/057304.pdf

[InfiniteNow]

Originally Posted by Turtle

Stop all tourism out of walking distance. Period. Stop all transportaion to and from sporting events; elementary school to professional sports. Stop all entertainment based waste of resources; no flying the film crew to the Arctic to make movies on global warming.

Either there's a problem we can fix and we get serious, or not.

Safe to say, these activities will continue apace.

In terms of relative impact, how does all of that compare to all of this:

???

[HydrogenBond]

Nuclear power would have been the answer if the "green" people of 40 years ago didn't save us all from the threat of nuclear winter. Nuke would have made power without CO2. With the power industry making huge profits, the push and financial backing would have been on for fusion. It would be here now. Then the risk would decline as the old Nukes get mothballed for cleaner fusion. We have the best of both worlds. Instead one green panic led to the current one. Part of the blame for our current predicament has to be shared by the green people of the past. They acted on short term panic and weren't able to see the long term picture. Nothing has change. It will be interesting to see the next disaster caused by this round of short term panic.

[InfiniteNow]

Originally Posted by HydrogenBond

Nuclear power would have been the answer if the "green" people of 40 years ago didn't save us all from the threat of nuclear winter. Nuke would have made power without CO2. With the power industry making huge profits, the push and financial backing would have been on for fusion. It would be here now. Then the risk would decline as the old Nukes get mothballed for cleaner fusion. We have the best of both worlds. Instead one green panic led to the current one. Part of the blame for our current predicament has to be shared by the green people of the past. They acted on short term panic and weren't able to see the long term picture. Nothing has change. It will be interesting to see the next disaster caused by this round of short term panic.

You still would have the problem of disposal of nuclear waste, which is precisely why the "green" people didn't like it then, and still don't now.


Why not suggest solar instead of bash people who speak out openly against agents which cause harm to our shared home...

The

pale blue dot

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[Buffy]

Uh...do you need a reminder of:

• Windscale
• Three Mile Island
• Chernobyl

...just to name a few...need more examples? There are plenty to choose from...

And of course there are all those stockpiles of plutonium-laced spent fuel rods with a half-life of a quarter of a million years still waiting for Yucca Mountain or some other safe place to store stuff, only a few micrograms of which is necessary to kill you.

It would appear from your post that these "issues" are irrational rantings not even worthy of their "short term panic 40 years ago."

Can we dump those fuel rods in your back yard Hydro? I'm sure they'll be no tribble at all...

It does not require a majority to prevail, but rather an irate, tireless minority keen to set brush fires in people's minds,
Buffy

[freeztar]

Originally Posted by Buffy

Uh...do you need a reminder of:

• Windscale
• Three Mile Island
• Chernobyl

...just to name a few...need more examples? There are plenty to choose from...

And of course there are all those stockpiles of plutonium-laced spent fuel rods with a half-life of a quarter of a million years still waiting for Yucca Mountain or some other safe place to store stuff, only a few micrograms of which is necessary to kill you.

It would appear from your post that these "issues" are irrational rantings not even worthy of their "short term panic 40 years ago."

Can we dump those fuel rods in your back yard Hydro? I'm sure they'll be no tribble at all...

It does not require a majority to prevail, but rather an irate, tireless minority keen to set brush fires in people's minds,
Buffy

Nice. I like the troublesome tribble remark.

While I don't feel that nuclear energy is the "right" way forward, I don't think it is abandon-able at this point in time. My hope is that more investment in alt energy will yield more energy efficient and lower cost options that will inspire pollutant-ridden businesses to change their business models and adapt to the shifting market.

You may say I'm a dreamer, but I'm not the only one

[Buffy]

Originally Posted by freeztar

While I don't feel that nuclear energy is the "right" way forward, I don't think it is abandon-able at this point in time.

Me neither. In fact I'd love to think that some of the "safer" nuclear technologies like the Pebble Bed Reactor, and heck maybe even some form of fusion might turn out to be a reasonable alternative energy source.

I just get livid when *some* people blithely imply that there's nothing to worry about with nuclear technology and all the "problems" are solved. They didn't call it "“tickling the dragon" at Los Alamos for nothing...

So...

Originally Posted by freeztar

You may say I'm a dreamer, but I'm not the only one

...you're not alone, but some here might slime us as *Republicans* for saying so!

We know what happens to people who stay in the middle of the road. They get run over,
Buffy

[freeztar]

Originally Posted by Buffy

We know what happens to people who stay in the middle of the road. They get run over,
Buffy

Oh, so you've seen the tread marks on my back. No worries, it was a Big Coal exec driving a Prius.